Loads

[Delmonico]

From my post in the Archives forum:

New folks questions are most often about loads.

I/m going to search out the regular board and dig up what I can, but I'm also going to start a thread there to post loads and I will divide them up by caliber.

Also I know some do like to shoot Nitro loads, so I'll have a seperate area for them.  I will ask that any of these be from a santioned loading manual and I ask that you quote the source.

This may take a little while, but I will work on it as I have time, object is to get a good data base to point newcomers to.


I will also search the board as I have time.

[Delmonico]

Why not ask that posters quote the scource and give a link/address to a web site too?
I never use a load unless it's approved by the powder maker.
I'm to pretty to take a chance ya know!

If you go back and reread my post, you'll notice I asked that for Nitro loads.   And if you understand black and the subs you will no it involves a fulll case.

[Shotgun Franklin]

My mistake, I assumed that you were talking about smokeless as the 'Nitro' loads are actually the early Cordite loads.

[Delmonico]

My mistake, I assumed that you were talking about smokeless as the 'Nitro' loads are actually the early Cordite loads.

No, any load using a Nitrocellulose based load were in the time period sometimes called Nitro loads, it is a term I prefer rather than smokeless which is not always true.

BTW in English gun nomenclature nitro often, but not always mean cordite loads.  Some English rounds have always used other than cordite after the switch from black powder.

[Big T]

I know what works for my 45/70 trapdoor , I use a 410 hollow based lead bullet with 25.1 grs of 4198 in most cases , some of my primitave stuff is viberated 65 grains of 777 with the same bullet wt. ,I also leave the top groove exposed about 1/2 way to insure the bullet is fitted into the rifleing when the door is shut , t

[Roosterman]

I have a bad time with leading using HB bullets and smokelesss powders. anybody else?

[Skyrider]

Jeepers Creepers! I been gathering up components for my buff rifle (1874 Quigley) and I am having a tuff time finding loads or those BP manuals on the shelfs at the gun stores. I picked up some black powder in 2 types, also some of that "triple seven" and Trail Boss too. I would sure like to find a manual on loads for this rifle and the Rolling Block Creedmoor.

[PJ Hardtack]

The 'manual' you're looking for is: "Shooting Buffalo Rifles of the Old West" by Mike Venturino - hunting loads, target loads; all you need to know and more.

[Skyrider]

PJ, thanks a bunch! I am going to see if Cabela's or who has that manual for sale.

[sulferburner]

PJ  does that book have anything in it about the paper cartrige rifles like the 1863?

[mr phil]

The 'manual' you're looking for is: "Shooting Buffalo Rifles of the Old West" by Mike Venturino - hunting loads, target loads; all you need to know and more.

This may be a little late , but thanks for the tip. I just ordered the book on Amazon.

[WaddWatsonEllis]

Hi.

I ordered mine from Amazon.com,but I am thinking that PJ would be more pleased to get it from a Canadian Source, and I would guess that the book  company that St Charles plugs would have it ...

TTFN

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

Hi.

I ordered mine from Amazon.com,but I am thinking that PJ would be more pleased to get it from a Canadian Source, and I would guess that the book  company that St Charles plugs would have it ...

TTFN

It's now part of a BIG dot-com, but it started in my hometown of Victoria;

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BuyersMenu

[PJ Hardtack]

Venturino didn't say much about 'paper' cartridges in his book, nor did Sellers. At least not on how to make them up. But, it ain't rocket science ....
Roll tubes out of any combustible material (newsprint, printer paper, etc.), glue them shut. Inset the lubed bullet, pour in the powder charge and either twist or fold over the ends. I found no practical advantage in using nitrated paper.
You can make them chamber length or over long and allow the 'cigar cutter' of the breech face to shear off the end and expose the powder. That causes some spillage and powder accumulation where you don't want it.

Before inserting the next round, I always check to see f there is a bit of glowing paper, usually where the glue was applied. A quick blow clears it.

If your rifle is a .50, it's even easier. Roll a lubed bullet with a 60 gr .54 calibre Pyrodex pellet in the paper - done.

PJ  does that book have anything in it about the paper cartrige rifles like the 1863?

[Gabriel Law]

For my Shiloh Sharps 45-70, MVA long range Soule and MVA globe front sights

BACo 443530E bullet cast 16:1 lead/tin to .443" - paper patched wet with .0015" onion skin to .4495"
Winchester brass fire formed, neck sized only in 45 ACP FL sizing die 5/16" - case mouths annealed
Cases primer hole bored to .087", de-burred in and out
newspaper disc over inside of primer hole
86.5 gr. Swiss 1 1/2Fg trickled into case, .053" hard card wad over powder and compressed with die .010" -leaves .125" for bullet
Patched bullets seated by hand (snug)
Clean between shots:  one wet, one dry

Consistent groups around 1 1/2 moa @ 100 m.

[HamboneDave]

I shoot a Quigley 34 incher in 45-70.
My working load is 70grs FFg drop tubed, .03 wad, compress, some grease, 405gr greaser, col is 2.7.

My serious load is 73grs FFg drop tubed, 2 .03 wads, down .15 f49m case mouth, smeared grease to waterproof. Paper patched 450gr from Baco, col is 3.1.

[HamboneDave]

Forgot....440 bullet, triple wet wrapped using coffee filter paper giving a .449-50 up the bore.