SASS/COWS approved sites for a new Taylors/Codymatic Model '73

[WaddWatsonEllis]

Hi,

I am seeking some practical advise.

As I have said in other threads, I think the sites on my late Model 94 are on par with the sites on my Daisy BB guns of my pre-teen life.

So, since I am having Cody Conagher gunsmith me a Trappers Pistol Grip Model 93 from Taylors & Company, I am thinking about wether the sites are worthy of the rifle.

I am thinking of a Marbles bronze bead front site or similar Grabber 130 Front site, and possibly a tang site for the rear .... perhaps a Marlbless or a Lyman # 2?

Even if I get a tang site installed, I would prefer to keep a (folding) dovetail site as an optional rear site, and was wondering 1.) if anyone had ever used them, and 2.) wether a fold down site was even legal for SASS/COWS competition.

I am so new at this I squeak, so I would appreciate the knowledge of seasoned people (and anyone with one season of shooting is 'seasoned' compared to me).

So, what do you like on your Winchesters? What are you using for replacement sites on your rifles?

Thanks!

[WaddWatsonEllis]

Two days without a viewing ... perhaps I should have used 'Nude Girl with Sharps Buffalo Gun' as a title .... sigh

[Delmonico]

Two days without a viewing ... perhaps I should have used 'Nude Girl with Sharps Buffalo Gun' as a title .... sigh

There has been 23 viewings before me, this is the first reply, there is a differance.  I'd take it to mean that nobody viewing has an answer.  As for the rules, the website for SASS and the same for NCOWS has the rules posted.  As for folding rear sites, they've been used for many years and long before CAS?WAS shooting came along.  The fact there are so many of them out there might be a clue they work fine if of good quality.

[WaddWatsonEllis]

Hi Delmonico,

Thanks for the reply.

When I went onto the Marbles site, they said that their folding site had a patent date of shortly after 1900, but that they supplied the original sites for many of the cowboy rifles .... kind of a conundrum.

It looks like the front site and tang site are used often enough in SASS to show them as acceptable. My real question was with the folding dovetail sites. I am so new that all my attention is on me, keeping me from getting a proceedural or just being unsafe.

I did read the SASS rules, which seem to leave a lot to interpretation. So I thought I might seek some information on tried and true sites that are already being used in competition.

Plus, some of the Marbles rear sites offer windage and elevation ... and if I remember my SASS rules, windage adjustment was a no-no.

And finally, I appologize for my second post. It was below the dignity of this site and below me, actually.

I just do not want to order a gunsmithed rifle and find out that not only can it not be used in competition, but I am going to have to pay the FFL fee to send it back to the gunsmith, plus buy a new SASS acceptable site and then pay to have the old one removed and the new one installed.

[Delmonico]

Since I would guess the COWS part of the SASS/COWS means NCOWS, you short stoke is already banned.

[Wireman]

I'll say in SASS... Most folks ues the Marbles front bead and the original rear site.

I've seen folks with the Marbles Rear peep but don't remember seeing a secondary one.

With the Targets Ranges in SASS ya really don't need the most precision.... ya want quick acquisition and alignment. 

Dun't play NCOWS so I can't give ya any tips for them.

The best advise is to go to the Matches in your area and see what the folks have there. If ya haven't already. 

[WaddWatsonEllis]

Delmonico,

That's true about the short stroke; see, I am so inexperienced that I had not even thought of that.
So I guess I should just be worried about being SASS legal.

Wireman,

What I am trying to do is get the best of both worlds. I want to get the tang site so that I can go for accuracy when I need it. In order to use one, I believe that the conventional rear dovetail site must be removed(to get it out of the way of the tang site). But if the Marbles folding dovetail is allowed, the dovetail can be folded out of the way to allow use of the tang site.

I agree that the tang 'peep' style site takes longer to attain the target with. and normally I would be folding  the dovetail and storing the tang site. On SASS style shooting, I am guessing that I would be using the open dovetail site most of the time.

Having the folding dovetail and tang sites just seems to give me the choice of open or closed sites.

And if I am wrong, well, that is why I have this thread going ... I mean, inquiring minds want to know ... *S*

[Jefro]

What Wirey said, for this game you need quick target acquisition. I use the Grabber .130 with the rear buckhorn sights cut flat. Then the smith opened the V notch with a small round file making it sorta V-U, makes getting on target alot quicker for these old eyes. Good Luck.

Jefro

[Wireman]

I jess dun't git why folks Flatten the Buckhorn sights. I left mine alone. Works out like ah Halo sight er sumpin'.  Put the Bead in the center of the Horn and on the Target.

Ta Each Their own.... I reckon.

[Jefro]

I jess dun't git why folks Flatten the Buckhorn sights. I left mine alone. Works out like ah Halo sight er sumpin'.  Put the Bead in the center of the Horn and on the Target.

Ta Each Their own.... I reckon.

Fer some of us with less than perfect vision ( near sighted, slight stig, and wear script glasses) we're looking for the front sight to put on the target. The full buckhorn blocks my view of the target. So I'm looking to put the bead in the V and pull the trigger when it's in the middle of the blury target. I've seen a few top guns use this set up also, Longhunter uses the Grabber front and offers the Marbles Flatop as an option. Now fer long range targets I like a Marbles tang peep and front blade to help me focus on a point of the target, usually 6 o'clock, but then my hit miss ratio on long range targets is Not To Gooood.
http://www.longhunt.com/sights/sights_thegrabber.shtml

Jefro

[WaddWatsonEllis]

I pretty much know that I am going to go with a Grabber or the similar Marbles front site on my present Model 94 ... just don't know how high a site to order ... have to have the local gunshop micrometer measure the present height and order on of the same size. Depending on what I do with it (it is one of those mythical Model 94s that shoots .45 CAL without a hiccup and is smooth and fast OOTB), I might go the tang site/folding dovetail site if it stays legal for competition.

Like you, for Cowboy shooting, my eyes haven't deteriorated so far that a pair of spectacles doesn't make up for the astigmatism and presbyopia (old age eyes).

It's the Codymatic that I have on order that iis the conundrum. I mean, if I am going to order a 'smithed' rifle, I want it ready to shoot and not needing to be sent back for new sites ... not to mention paying two or three times for a series of sights to be installed. And not counting the FFL fee and shipping costs on each return for new sites.

I have sent him an email last week and look forward to his wisdom on the subject ...

[WaddWatsonEllis]

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