Who's making New Reproduction 1892 Winchesters?

[Dispatch]

Is anyone still producing a "new" reproduction 1892 Winchester? Except for the 1 model I found from Taylor's And Company made by Armi-Sport. I see Winchester's web site states they no longer produce the (model 94), rifle for sale since 2006. Does anyone know why this is? Also, does anyone offer 'Defarbing' service for these Armi-Sport models? Any information is appreciated. 

[Blackpowder Burn]

Chiappa make a reproduction '92.  I handled one a few months ago and I have to admit it was the slickest '92 I've ever felt, and it was right out of the box.  And I have an original '92 with a 100 years of wearing in!  I can't speak to quality, but it was sure a pretty rifle.

[Dispatch]

Yes, Chiappa is Armi-sport. I would prefer a U.S. Repeating Arms model but they don't produce them anymore, I have no idea why. I am looking for one still "new in the box" but have had no luck in the caliber(.45 LC) I need, so far.  I would think though an Armi-sport (Chiappa), would need "defarbing". We'll see.

[Tater Pickens]

Please pardon my ignorance but what is defarbing? Sounds like it may be something you would need a shot of penicillin to get rid of but curious minds want to know. I have never been defarbed so I am completely in the dark on this.

Tater Pickens

[Dispatch]

Please pardon my ignorance but what is defarbing? Sounds like it may be something you would need a shot of penicillin to get rid of but curious minds want to know. I have never been defarbed so I am completely in the dark on this.

Tater Pickens

No no, but your close. It's a long standing tradition that when you buy a brand new rifle your supposed to grasp it with both hands, hold it over your head and shout as loud as you can 3 times....  frommycolddeadhands, frommycolddeadhands, frommycolddeadhands! Then and only then, you have been defarbed. I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself. I'm poking fun at you. "Defarbing" is a process of removing all modern markings from a reproduction firearm and replacing them with the correct 'period' markings. Manufacturers markings are removed and the serial number is moved to an inconspecious location, usually on the bottom of the barrel. Then the barrel and stock wood are stamped with authentic inspectors and proof markings.  From My Cold Dead Hands!!!!

[Stillwater]

Is anyone still producing a "new" reproduction 1892 Winchester? Except for the 1 model I found from Taylor's And Company made by Armi-Sport. I see Winchester's web site states they no longer produce the (model 94), rifle for sale since 2006. Does anyone know why this is? Also, does anyone offer 'Defarbing' service for these Armi-Sport models? Any information is appreciated. 

If you can't find a Winchester/Miroku 1892, go to Cimarron Fire Arms Web site. They import their firearms from Uberti, and they are first class.

I just bought an 1873 Deluxe Sporting Rifle from Cimarron, 24" barrel, in 38-40, and it is superb.

You might not want to "defarb," (never heard that term before) Cimarrons firearms. The marks on Cimarrons rifles look entirely in keeping with the "Old West," motiff of the rifle.

http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/RepeatingRifles/1892Model.htm

The above is the url of the 1892 rifles on Cimarrons web site.

Bill

[Dispatch]

I am being told by the leaders in the sport 'not' to buy an 1892 Winchester. They tell me that on the 92 there are more parts to break, it's harder to take down and clean. Slower and have feed problems. This advice makes me think it isn't a very good rifle as I had first assumed, and they are in the business. I had no idea. This is why it's best to research before you buy. They don't even carry the model 92 on their line. The 1873 Winchester (Cimarron), Deluxe Short rifle has caught my eye. I like its particular one over the rest of the line. I just wanted the 'Tear Down' option but this is not possible on the 73.   

[Jefro]

Pard, go ahead an git ya a 73 and don't look back.   You'll be glad ya did.

Jefro

[Stillwater]

Pard, go ahead an git ya a 73 and don't look back.   You'll be glad ya did.

Jefro

I just brought home a 1873 Cimarron, Deluxe Sporter Rifle, with the 24" barrel in 38-40, yesterday.

The 1873 Winchesters have always been my favorites. I really like this rifle. It is a good looking, good handling rifle, satisfying to own and fondle...!

Bill

[Dispatch]

I just brought home a 1873 Cimarron, Deluxe Sporter Rifle, with the 24" barrel in 38-40, yesterday.

The 1873 Winchesters have always been my favorites. I really like this rifle. It is a good looking, good handling rifle, satisfying to own and fondle...!

Bill

Tell me something, on your Winchester 73. Are the sights truly Windage and Elevation adjustable? How tight are your groups after you zero the weapon? What brand of ammunition does your rifle shoot best with? Do you feel the 24" barrel model is a bit long and heavy as opposed to the 16" barrel carbine? That is, assuming you've ever compared the 2 models. 

[Abilene]

Stillwater, FYI the '92's that Cimarron carries are Chiappa (Armi-Sport).  Uberti does not make a '92.

Dispatch, the octagonal barreled '73's are windage adjustable (drift the front or rear sights) and elevation adjustable (semi-buckhorn rear sight has an elevation adjustment).  The round barreled carbines are not elevation adjustable and most tend to shoot high at relatively short CAS distances.

I don't have a 24" rifle, just 20" octagonal and 19" and 16" carbines.  I do like the 16" trapper but can tell you that it does tend to wave around a bit from lack of weight out front.  The 20" short rifle (a yellowboy, actually) seems to hold a little more steady for me than the carbines.

[Dispatch]

Stillwater, FYI the '92's that Cimarron carries are Chiappa (Armi-Sport).  Uberti does not make a '92.

Dispatch, the octagonal barreled '73's are windage adjustable (drift the front or rear sights) and elevation adjustable (semi-buckhorn rear sight has an elevation adjustment).  The round barreled carbines are not elevation adjustable and most tend to shoot high at relatively short CAS distances.

I don't have a 24" rifle, just 20" octagonal and 19" and 16" carbines.  I do like the 16" trapper but can tell you that it does tend to wave around a bit from lack of weight out front.  The 20" short rifle (a yellowboy, actually) seems to hold a little more steady for me than the carbines.

Abilene, as I asked Stillwater what brand of ammo does your rifle shoot best with? Does the owners manual explain how to 'Mechanical Zero' the sights? Does the front sight have marks to determine this? Similar to an AR 15 where you "bottom out" the front sight? I'm prefering the 1873 Winchester Deluxe Short rifle with the 20" Octagon barrel. Long Hunter Shooting Supply seems to be the best place to get what I am looking for.

[Blackpowder Burn]

Dispatch,

You might want to try a Marbles tang sight on the rifle.  It is period correct and solves all the sighting issues.  It gives you windage and elevation adjustment nad is easier to use (that is, gain a sight picture more quickly) than standard sights.  I have them on every rifle I own (a '73, a '92 a Ligntning and 2 Marlins).

Once you change, you'll never go back!

[Dispatch]

Aggie, is the Marbles better than the Lyman sight?

http://www.hobbygunsmith.com/Archives/Feb04/SightPair.JPG

These sights look like they should be on a long barreled rifle like the 1874 Sharps Quigley rifle in a .50-90.
How are these sights as far as durability? They look sort of fragile.
What about a Full Buckhorn sight? 

[Jefro]

For CAS I found full buckhorns or tang peeps to obscure the targets. I had the  buckhorn on my 73 cut down flat and added a Grabber .130 bead to the front.The smith also took a very small round file to the V groove in the rear sight making it sort of a V-U. Makes picking up the targets much easier for these old eyes. Longhunter also  stocks the Grabber front sight and  Marbles flatop rear sights.
http://www.bananariveroutfitters.com/
http://www.longhunt.com/sights/sights_thegrabber.shtml

Jefro

[Abilene]

Dispatch,
The semi-buckhorns that come on the 20" and 24" uberti rifles has a stepped elevator that raises or lowers the sight in set amounts.  Many rifles of various makes come with a similar sight.  You can see in this parts diagram: http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/Parts/1873-rifle.htm , the elevator is item 61.  My rifle and carbines are all different calibers, and I shoot my own loads in all of them, no factory ammo.  Using both smokeless loads and BP, and I couldn't really tell you what the most accurate loads were because I basically use them for CAS and have not needed an ability to make small groups.  With pretty much any load, hitting a steel plate at 100 yards offhand is easy.

As for tangs, I think the Marlbles is windage adjustable but the Lyman is not (but I'm not positive).   

[Dispatch]

When I order mine from Long Hunter, I will ask them about what sights they offer and recommend. Do they have a long distance shoot for rifles like the Quigley Sharps?

[Dr. Bob]

For long range shooting you will want a quality vernier tang sight and possibly a windage adjustable globe front.  You will find a lot of info on these sights on the BROW board here in CAS City.

[Marshal Deadwood]

THere ARE shoots for the big single shot Sharps, Rolling Block, Hi Wall type rifles. If its an NRA match there is a weight limit on the rifle,,and what the companys sell as their Quigley rifle is too heavy to be legal. You will need to check the NRA rules. There ARE matches,,were the weight of the rifle is not a factor. Some even use 16pluls lb Sharps.

Take into account what type of shooting you intend to do and what calibre might fit the bill best. IF you intend to use the 'buffalo' rifle with smokeless loads, stick with a 45-70,,,as it is a fine round with both smokeless (ugg) and black powder (thumbs up).

A word of caution. Go slow at this or you might make the same mistake most everyone else has at times....and buy something that does not fit your 'direction' after you get into it,,,and then there is the 'buy it all over right' to be done. Just know for sure what you intend to do with your gun purchase.

Then again, there are no bad guns....

MD

[44caliberkid]

Other than Armi Sport, all other model 92 repros (new) are made by Rossi/ Puma in Brazil.  Cowboy versions are good rifles but they usually need a little smoothing to be great.   If you watch the gun auction sites they occasionally have NIB Browning 1892's that were made in Japan and are very high quality replicas of the Winchester.
  Your defarbing sounds like antique counterfitting to me.   An expert would probably spot it right off but it still feels a little dishonest.
   I wouldn't hesitate to get a Rossi 92, 45 Colt, from EMF.  Then spend $75 - $100 at a gunsmith who knows them, it'll be smooth as glass.
   Besides a Rossi, I also have Uberti's 1866 and 1873 and love them too.