Shooting Categories??????

J.R. Logan · June 12, 2009, 09:52:18 AM

Shooting Categories
If you had a choice 4 gun, 3 gun, or 2 gun what would you shoot? If the 3 gun and 2 gun categories were open to any 3 or any 2 guns what firearms would you like to use? i.e. 2 pistols, shotgun; pistol, rifle, shotgun; so on for 3 gun; just trying to get a feel of what people think on the whole category thing.

J. R. Logan

Joss House · June 12, 2009, 10:20:36 AM

Last year our posse voted and we now use only one pistol, rifle and shotgun and only shoot four stages. This was good timing since loaded lead ammunition and or reloading supplies has become scarce in Kalifornia. If this keeps up, we'll only be able to shoot pictures of the targets.

Montana Slim · June 12, 2009, 11:33:15 AM

I like to shoot Pistoleer because I love C&B revolvers.
My preference for this category would be 2 C&B revolvers and a a lever rifle/carbine. We presently include the shotgun, but just 2 shots per stage to allow percussion guns to be used.

When I first started NCOWS, matches typically involved a revolver, a rifle, a shotgun, and a pocket revolver. Soon after, a second revolver was added, so sometimes we shot 5 guns on a stage. Other times one or more of the irons was omitted. The pocket pistol and the second revolver were usually staged. It's been a few years since I've used a pocket revolver in a main match, so omitting this one seems to be the current trend.

The important factor is for the match announcements to include what firearms are needed and a minimum round count.
Variety, the spice of life.

Regards,
Slim

Fiddler Green · June 12, 2009, 11:40:36 AM

Quote from: Joss House on June 12, 2009, 10:20:36 AM
This was good timing since loaded lead ammunition and or reloading supplies has become scarce in Kalifornia.

Two words "Springfield Slim" in that order.

Bruce

Ottawa Creek Bill · June 12, 2009, 11:50:28 AM

One rifle one Pistol...preferably cap & ball. Only know one pistoleer that carried two cap & ball revolvers into the cartridge age that can be documented, and we all know who that was. It would make it easier on a mixed posse as far as responsibilities.

Bill

Books OToole · June 12, 2009, 12:02:47 PM

Quote from: Ottawa Creek Bill on June 12, 2009, 11:50:28 AM
One rifle one Pistol...preferably cap & ball. Only know one pistoleer that carried two cap & ball revolvers into the cartridge age that can be documented, and we all know who that was. It would make it easier on a mixed posse as far as responsibilities.

Bill

+ James Hume - Chief detective for Wells Fargo - Carried an un-converted cut-down 1860 Colt.

+ Bat Masterson allegedly carried a pair of Colt Navies to Tombstone in 1881.

Books

Fiddler Green · June 12, 2009, 12:09:59 PM

Not that I shoot with NCOWS (none in my area) but I did shoot a "Plainsmen" match that required a single shot rifle, two BP pistols and a double barrel shotgun and it was a real hoot. Cut down on the "Gamers" too! I'd love to see more matches where I can shot my C&B guns and be more competitive. And, God knows, I love to light up 61 Grains of BP in my Buffalo Classic. That Postell lets everyone in the valley know when I hit steel.

Of course, one guy shot a Martini-Henry. warped the plates! one pass, with a pick-up truck ,with duelies seem to fix them just fine, though.

Bruce

Tjackstephens · June 12, 2009, 12:20:05 PM

OCB, that pistoleer you refer to also carried a hide out gun. Tj

Ottawa Creek Bill · June 12, 2009, 01:22:17 PM

Quote from: Books OToole on June 12, 2009, 12:02:47 PM
+ James Hume - Chief detective for Wells Fargo - Carried an un-converted cut-down 1860 Colt.

+ Bat Masterson allegedly carried a pair of Colt Navies to Tombstone in 1881.

Books

Books....Ole Buddy....I said documented........

TJ......I think most of the gun fighters back in the day carried a hidden weapon of some sort whether it be gun or knife....most didn't flaunt it like Hickok did.

Fiddler....don't know where you live...but it only takes three like minded individuals to start an NCOWS posse...If you have a public range it should be real easy to work out a shooting schedule with an existing club or owner.

Bill

Ottawa Creek Bill · June 12, 2009, 01:25:56 PM

Fiddler...took a look at your profile and noticed you were from Capitola Ca., where is that in relation to Bakersfield? Joss House has a posse down there....you may want to check it out.

Bill

Tjackstephens · June 12, 2009, 02:55:20 PM

J. R. back to your question. I really like the Range Det. class and wish it was an NCOWS class. Two revolvers and a rifle. How did you like the King of the Outlaws side match. Rifle and two revolvers. Some day think it will become an NCOWS class. As we grow a lot of things will come to be. Right now the working cowboy class is the best thing we have going for us. Shoot one revolver and one rifle. Hold the revolver ever how you wish, shoot black powder or smokeless, even a cap and ball if you wish. With the price of bullets, powder, brass, and such we may all be shooting working cowboy. Was good to see you at the National, can't wait till the Eastern. Tj

Montana Slim · June 12, 2009, 09:53:50 PM

Quote from: Ottawa Creek Bill on June 12, 2009, 11:50:28 AM
One rifle one Pistol...preferably cap & ball. Only know one pistoleer that carried two cap & ball revolvers into the cartridge age that can be documented, and we all know who that was. It would make it easier on a mixed posse as far as responsibilities.

Bill

Yes, and that fella carried and drew his pistols similar to the way I do it

hehe

Slim

Fiddler Green · June 13, 2009, 01:47:02 AM

Quote from: Ottawa Creek Bill on June 12, 2009, 01:25:56 PM
Fiddler...took a look at your profile and noticed you were from Capitola Ca., where is that in relation to Bakersfield? Joss House has a posse down there....you may want to check it out.

Bill

I'm on the nothern edge of Monterey Bay. About 5 hours from Bakersfield. I shoot with three diffrent CAS clubs, in this area. And, I just shoot a match with the local Muzzleloaders club so, I've got my dance card pretty full.

Bruce

J.R. Logan · June 13, 2009, 10:58:56 AM

Okay so lets try to stay on topic. Lets look at this in a different way. How many 4 gun shooter would be happy to just shoot 3 gun? And if so what gun would be dropped? Hope this helps.

J. R. Logan

Books OToole · June 13, 2009, 12:40:57 PM

The easiest way to deal with the 4-gun classes is to lump them all together*; just like working cowboy.
[Good luck with that.]

Books

* Except Pistoleer (Which supposed to represent pre-1870 shooters).

Will Ketchum · June 14, 2009, 04:21:26 PM

I would prefer 2 pistols and a rifle, but shot duelist. I like working cowboy but will never be able to compete against 2 handed shooters shooting 38s. But that is my choice.

Will Ketchum

Dutch Limbach · June 15, 2009, 07:24:27 AM

I like the Working Cowboy Class shot "Traditional" myself. Now don't get me wrong, I like shooting shotguns, alot. But shooting stationary targets at close range with them isn't really much of a challenge. (It ain't sportin'. Its just killin'!) So we don't leave out shotguns and the important role they played in the Old West out, I'd like to see more side matches for them. Maybe some Cowboy Sporting Clays, and/or Stillboard side matches.

My 2 cents worth.

Tjackstephens · June 15, 2009, 08:41:17 AM

Dutch, I don't care for the shotgun much either. Except in stages where you are robbing a bank or stage coach or even a stage coach guard holding off the outlaws. Most shoot now the shotgun targets are way to close and that's where most of the lead comes back and hits you. I do like two handguns and most of the time I have to shoot two handed because of a problem. And of course I do like a rifle. Don't think the rifle could ever be left out. Tj