Sold 1860 Henry Trapper, New

[Charlie Bison]

I have a Uberti 1860 Henry trapper for sale. The gun is brand new unfired with tags still attached. It has a 18.5" barrel and it holds 10+1 45 colt rounds. I was surprised on how well this gun balances compared to the full size barrel. I am asking $940 obo+30 for shipping.
Thanks.

[Pancho Peacemaker]

Charlie,

Is this rifle still available?

Pancho

[Charlie Bison]

Charlie,

Is this rifle still available?

Pancho

Yes sir it is. Thanks for your interest.
Charlie

[Pancho Peacemaker]

I just bought this 1860 Trapper (18.5" barrel) in .45 LC from Charlie. Uberti advertises this as a "10+1" capacity. I'm using .45 LC rounds that measure 40 mm (1.55") in C.O.L. (total length).

I can only get 9 rounds in the magazine. After the 9th round, there is about .6" of dead space left. Is there something I'm missing? How do I get that 10th round in the mag tube?

Pancho

[Pettifogger]

Replied over on the SASS wire.  But, will repost here.  Over there you said you are loading to 1.600, so my answer refers to that OAL.

"On a Henry magazine capacity is real easy to figure out. Twist the front part of the barrel/mag tube to the open position. Then measure from the end of the magazine tube to the rear end of the carrier. That's all the space you have for cartridges. Just divide this length by your cartridge OAL and it will give you the round count and any left over length. The nominal length of the carrier is only 1.600" so a max loaded .45 Colt is sometimes actually to long for the toggle rifles. All you can do to get ten in the rifle is shorten your ammo a little, you don't need absolute max .45 OAL for the gun to function.

You don't really need customer service as you cannot get around basic laws of physics. On the closed tube rifles sometimes you can get a little more room by adjusting mag spring length. That isn't so with the Henry since the entire spring is contained in the upper part of the mag tube when you twist it to the open position."

Other than shortening the OAL on your .45 Colt rounds, the only other option is to use Schofield or .45 Special brass.

[Pancho Peacemaker]

Replied over on the SASS wire.  But, will repost here.  Over there you said you are loading to 1.600, so my answer refers to that OAL.

"On a Henry magazine capacity is real easy to figure out. Twist the front part of the barrel/mag tube to the open position. Then measure from the end of the magazine tube to the rear end of the carrier. That's all the space you have for cartridges. Just divide this length by your cartridge OAL and it will give you the round count and any left over length. The nominal length of the carrier is only 1.600" so a max loaded .45 Colt is sometimes actually to long for the toggle rifles. All you can do to get ten in the rifle is shorten your ammo a little, you don't need absolute max .45 OAL for the gun to function.

You don't really need customer service as you cannot get around basic laws of physics. On the closed tube rifles sometimes you can get a little more room by adjusting mag spring length. That isn't so with the Henry since the entire spring is contained in the upper part of the mag tube when you twist it to the open position."

Other than shortening the OAL on your .45 Colt rounds, the only other option is to use Schofield or .45 Special brass.

For reference to anyother pards:  The total length of the tube magazine is a 15" on this carbine or "trapper" model.  Thus you'll need to fill the tube with 10 cartridges that are no longer than 1.5" C.O.L. to get 10 rounds in it.

Seems to me Uberti should provide a disclaimer about that since most .45LC ammo is 1.55" to 1.6" C.O.L. 

[Pettifogger]

Have a friend with a 16.5" Henry trapper.  No way he will ever get ten in that gun.  A couple of years ago I found a 22" carbine at a gun swap meet.  The tube is 18" so that one will work with no effort.  An easy mod if you want to make it is to put a pin in the carrier and use .45 Special brass.  The mod is real easy on a Henry because it loads from the front so the pin can be rigid and doesn't have to pivot like it would on a 66 or 73.

[Pancho Peacemaker]

Have a friend with a 16.5" Henry trapper.  No way he will ever get ten in that gun.  A couple of years ago I found a 22" carbine at a gun swap meet.  The tube is 18" so that one will work with no effort.  An easy mod if you want to make it is to put a pin in the carrier and use .45 Special brass.  The mod is real easy on a Henry because it loads from the front so the pin can be rigid and doesn't have to pivot like it would on a 66 or 73.

I've got a friend that's going to loan me some 230 gr. .45 Schofield rounds.  I've heard these will work in most 1860's.  Their OAL is 1.4" so I know I can fit 10 in the tube.

[Pettifogger]

Yep.  Schofields will usually work.  In case they don't go here.  The article should point you in the right direction.

http://www.theopenrange.net/forum/index.php?topic=5274.0

[Pancho Peacemaker]

FYI:

Here's the reply I got from Uberti Customer Service:

from:   Customer9 <Customer9@benelliusa.com>
to:  pancho.peacemaker@gmail.com

dateFri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:13 AM
subjectRE: StoegerIndustries.com Comment
mailed-bybenelliusa.com



Unfortunately, Our catalog is wrong....the 18.5 bbl only holds 9+1, not
10+1...sorry...

Interestingly, they would not return my call when I called questioning this issue.  I called them three times and all three times, they stated 'someone would call me right back with an answer'.

[Pettifogger]

The time difference between where you live and Bangladesh probably made it hard to return your call.  I'm surprised they answered at all.  Even more surprised that they answered truthfully.

[Capt. Augustus]

This cleared up a mystery for me.  A couple of years ago I had a Henry shortened to a carbine length.  It held exactly 10 .45's and the barrel was  20" inches long.      At first I thought they had shortened the part that swivels to get 10 into the magazine.  Now I  see it was all an illusion.

[Steel Dinger]

Ihave seen a 1860 henry trapper , 18.5"barrel, 44-40cal. for sale. I e-mailed the seller about the tube capacity of ten rounds. He said it would hold ten. But after reading about the 45cal henry trapper little loading problem, Iam hesitant to move on this rifle purchase, also was that length of barrel 18.5" around back in 1860. Iam new to this type of cowboy shooting, and want start with a Henry 44-40,  Would  this be a good purchase, What do ya all think??  Thanks Steel Dinger

[Patrick Henry Brown]

Pancho:

Just a thought here. I'm loading 45LC for my revolvers using the Lee 160 gr. RNFP bullet. My COL is 1.488 inches. I don't know how that would do in your Trapper, but it is much shorter than the average load. It cycles fine through my 73 -- like a knife through butter! My load is 5.0 gr of Clays. Food for thought.

Preacher Clint

[Pancho Peacemaker]

Ihave seen a 1860 henry trapper , 18.5"barrel, 44-40cal. for sale. I e-mailed the seller about the tube capacity of ten rounds. He said it would hold ten. But after reading about the 45cal henry trapper little loading problem, Iam hesitant to move on this rifle purchase, also was that length of barrel 18.5" around back in 1860. Iam new to this type of cowboy shooting, and want start with a Henry 44-40,  Would  this be a good purchase, What do ya all think??  Thanks Steel Dinger

Steel Dinger,

Your caution is well founded.  Since most 44-40 is loaded to a total cartridge length of 1.51" to 1.54", you could not fit 10 rounds into the magazine tube of the Henry Carbine without doe some cartridge modifications (as well noted by Preacher Clint above).  This carbine has a magazine tube of exactly 15" in length.

On the good side:  I really enjoy this rifle.  I just got back from a big local 3 day SASS match.  The carbine performed flawlessly with 230 gr. Schofield loads.  It balances very nicely and is a joy to shoot.

One other thought:  contact Dr. Bob.  He recently had his Henry converted to shoot .44 Russian.  As you may well know, the .44 Russian is a much shorter cartridge (OAL = 1.44").  I don't know what was involved in his conversion, but it would be an interesting option for you.
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Pancho

[Steel Dinger]

Pancho  Thanks for heads up on Dr. Bob rifle conversion, Iwent to the Posts and read what I needed to make a decision, Iam buying the Henry and do what it Takes to get 10 rounds of lead in the magazine tube. I tell ya what, with out you pards chipping in with all the info it would be like Down the Creek with out a Paddle.   Steel Dinger

[Pancho Peacemaker]

Pancho  Thanks for heads up on Dr. Bob rifle conversion, Iwent to the Posts and read what I needed to make a decision, Iam buying the Henry and do what it Takes to get 10 rounds of lead in the magazine tube. I tell ya what, with out you pards chipping in with all the info it would be like Down the Creek with out a Paddle.   Steel Dinger

Steel Dinger,

How did the .44 Russian conversion go?   


Pancho

[Major 2]

Steel Dinger ... Congrats on the Henry Purchase, you done good 

I welcome you to Henry shooting... and if you like will add your name to the robust chaps that are Henry Shootist

[Judge Roy Bean]

Maybe Uberti mean 9 in the tube and 1 in the chamber ?