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Started by Seth Hawkins, May 25, 2009, 06:50:00 AM

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Seth Hawkins


Sir Charles deMouton-Black

Let me make a WAG.  It will be strikingly similar to .44 American.
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Wonder if it would fit an Old Model Evans.  The dimensions of the .44 Evans Short are similar.
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Quote from: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on May 25, 2009, 09:49:36 AM
Let me make a WAG.  It will be strikingly similar to .44 American.

You are correct. BACO uses a .41 Magnum case cut down in length to make .44 American cases and I'm sure this is the same "parent" case to make this as well. I think they turn the rim a tad as well possibly. Remember, heel based bullets and only the undersized shank sits in the case. Also, the case will be short like the original Henry which was approx. 0.875" long, but varied from maker to maker as there were no SAAMI specs then.

Fox Creek Kid

Quote from: Seth Hawkins on May 25, 2009, 04:56:27 PM
Are they headstamped "44 Henry"?  Or 41 Magnum? Or 44 American????

The headstamp is the parent case, i.e., .41 Mag. You cannot restamp a headstamp.

Coffinmaker


Easiest thing to do for almost correct ammunition is to sleeve the chamber to .44 Special, then just shoot .44 Russian cases.  Or, if your a real purist, sleeve it .44 Russian.
Although, sleeved to .44 Russian, you eliminate three other cartridges you could use in a pinch.  Add the Carrier Block Adirondack Jack has developed for short .45s and you have a Henry shooting ammunition almost exactly the same dimensions as the .44 Henry Flat.

I'd personally recommend sleeving to .44 Special, in the event your ever tempted to sell your Henry.

My on-going project is a pair of Open Tops, in .44 Colt, shooting .44 Russian.  The Open Top was only produced in one caliber, .44 Henry Flat.  Since I already have 4 Henrys in .45, I'm holding out for and Iron Frame (I don't have one of those) in 44-40 to ship to "The Smith Shop" to have the barrel cut to 20" and sleeved to .44 Special.  Shoot .44 Russian in both guns for a real close "period" experience.

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Fox Creek Kid

Quote from: Coffinmaker on May 25, 2009, 09:49:09 PM...The Open Top was only produced in one caliber, .44 Henry Flat...

Some of the first Open Tops were .44 Russian, including #1. I saw it at the Texas Ranger Museum in '96 when it was on loan. The McDowell book shows two or three in .44 Russian as well. They are all early ones and under serial #100. Not to be a nitpicker, but the ones chambered in .44 rimfire were specifically chambered for the .44 Stetson Patent ctg. Other .44 rimfires won't chamber.

Hoof Hearted

Seth

As you know I have a Henry in exactly the same configuration as yours. Bernie made the mould for that bullet originally for another feller then one for me and now yours.

I have done tons of research and originally the ammo probably would have been Martin primed. If not it still would not have been headstamped AT ALL. :-\

That being said try seaching this data base. Half Creek Charlie posted the specs and pictures of the various cases including the Buffalo Arms cases on this forum a couple of years ago. They might still come up in a search.

Good luck

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Quote from: Seth Hawkins on May 26, 2009, 05:08:05 AM
I was just hoping to find some brass with a correct headstamp. ;)
You could always have Rocky Mountain Cartridge Company turn you out 100 for display boxes and show.  These would have proper headstamp.

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I did some more digging and instead of making you read through the whole string here are the specs that Charlie posted:

I got my order in from Buffalo Arms today and i have the info on the Henry C.F.brass they sell.
Two kinds. one for R & D  and one for original cartridge chambers.

44 Henry C.F. for R &D
41 Rem Mag Case
Rim Dia. .486
OAL .9775
Rim Thk. .056
O.D. at Mouth .430
i.D. at Mouth .405
Base O.D.(at Rim) .432
Cost $.32 each

44 Henry for original chambers
44 Spcl Brass
Rim Dia. .510
OAL .88
Rim Thk. .053
O.D. at Mouth .443
I.D. at Mouth .411
O.D. at base(at rim) .447
Cost $1.10 ea.

Neither of these will accept the Old West Mould 248 Grn (modified Nose bullet). As I suspected the 44 Russian is the closest we can come to the origina 44 Henry Flat C.F. today without a lot of cost and more modification to the bullet heeled base. Both of these cases have considerable play in the 44 Henry conversion sleeve that OCB sent me. I'm gonig to go with the 44 Russian case. I'll figure out later if I want to trim it .o72" to match the .88 dim of the original Henry Case.
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