Need a capper that works

[Fiddler Green]

I filed the shape to a bit more rounded point profile, including the bent back ends of the two springs that capture the cap, plus soldered a slender triangle of brass on the underside of the flat that supports the bottom of the cap as it is pushed down onto the nipple. I found that this brace helps keep the supporting brass lip from gradually bending back with the pressure caused by seating the caps. It has worked well with all types of openings, Colt- and Remington-type. (Although I did use a Dremel cutter wheel to open up the nipple well openings on my Remington.)

RCJ

Like I said: I've never found a capper that works worth a damb!

Bruce

[River City John]

Like I said: I've never found a capper that works worth a damb!

Bruce

No different than tuning a firearm or working up a load for consistent performance, or adjusting the belt on the back of trowsers or a vest, I think we just accept that most things in this sport need to be fiddled with a bit to give satisfactory results.

RCJ

[Fiddler Green]

No different than tuning a firearm or working up a load for consistent performance, or adjusting the belt on the back of trowsers or a vest, I think we just accept that most things in this sport need to be fiddled with a bit to give satisfactory results.

RCJ

Dude!

If you need to take power tools to a $20 capper, it doesn't work!

Just for the record:

I do adjust my pants....they even have a buckle to allow me to adjust it.  I didn't put it there...it came with the pants!
My vest has an adjustment to.

I find that, if I buy the right size, I don't need to change them!

I don't mind "Fiddling" with things. But, when you bring out the power tools to fix something that should have worked from the start?? You're just doing a disservice to everyone by not returning the product, to the manufacturer, so they can get it right. I bet GM wishes more people had done that 20 years ago ........or, at least they had listened when they did!

Bruce

[Mako]

Dude!

If you need to take power tools to a $20 capper, it doesn't work!

Just for the record:

I do adjust my pants....they even have a buckle to allow me to adjust it.  I didn't put it there...it came with the pants!
My vest has an adjustment to.

I find that, if I buy the right size, I don't need to change them!

I don't mind "Fiddling" with things. But, when you bring out the power tools to fix something that should have worked from the start?? You're just doing a disservice to everyone by not returning the product, to the manufacturer, so they can get it right. I bet GM wishes more people had done that 20 years ago ........or, at least they had listened when they did!

Bruce

Boy... you've been all over the board today dropping little tidbits.   I wish I had noticed this one earlier.

So let me make sure I have this straight.  You say there isn't a capper available that works, yet you will chastise someone for making one work?  I'm sorry, but your logic eludes me.

Let me make sure I have this straight...If there were only GM vehicles available, you'd just walk to teach those no good manufacturers a lesson, do I have that right?

One last thing, customers did exactly what you were admonishing us to do well over 20 years ago.  I don't know about where you live but there aren't very many GM cars on the road, they were replaced beginning in the '70s by Japanese cars that actually worked and met the quality expectations of the buying public.  So the customers have been voting for 35 plus years with their car buying habits.  I really haven't seen GM take much notice.  In fact the one bright star they had (Saturn) they killed as soon as they got a chance.  As soon as they started cycling management from the other divisions to learn how to do it the Saturn way they were doomed.  There was a reason it was built in Tennessee and there was a reason they kept their development groups totally separate from the rest of GM.  There was also a reason they emulated the management worker relationships that were begun by foreign manufacturers who set up shop  primarily in the South.  Saturn had more patents than any other division in the short period they were allowed to exist.  Sure they had to kill it, it made the rest of them look like the mess they really were.

So spare the Cowboys who are just trying to make their cap guns work and load them safely.  By the way if you're not using a capper you don't have much respect for your fingers.  You'd better read and learn http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,1620.0.html .  If you are using a capper, then you aren't heeding your own advice.

Regards,
Mako

[Fingers McGee]

Dude!

If you need to take power tools to a $20 capper, it doesn't work!

Just for the record:

I do adjust my pants....they even have a buckle to allow me to adjust it.  I didn't put it there...it came with the pants!
My vest has an adjustment to.

I find that, if I buy the right size, I don't need to change them!

I don't mind "Fiddling" with things. But, when you bring out the power tools to fix something that should have worked from the start?? You're just doing a disservice to everyone by not returning the product, to the manufacturer, so they can get it right. I bet GM wishes more people had done that 20 years ago ........or, at least they had listened when they did!

Bruce

I havent found it necessary to 'fiddle with' any of my cappers to make them work.  The TDC revolver cappers in brass and nickel (German Silver) have worked for me for over 20 years - I've got a brasss one that the fingers on the lid are just about worn completely off from use. - I've retired it to a back up position.  The Revolver cappers work on Colt, Uberti, Pietta, Euroarms, CVA, and Armi San Marco Colt style revolvers from Pocket Model/Baby Dragoons through Walkers.  They won't work on Remington style revolvers without opening the nipple window in the cylinder though.  I've never had a problem with a TDC straight line capper on the unmodified Remingtons.

Maybe you're not holding your mouth right or something. 

[River City John]

I guess folks are missing the point in that tinkering with things is half the fun.

I didn't solder a little finger of hard brass as a brace because it wasn't working. I was just looking ahead to the time when little by little the side pressure to seat caps many, many times slowly bent that little shelf of brass at the end that supports the cap when pushing it down onto the nipple before pulling the capper away.

Fiddling with things is half the fun in life. . . .as your quote under your avatar defends, Fiddler.

[Adirondack Jack]

I've never found a capper that would work well with all pistols...  Either the pistol or the capper met Mr. Dremel's creation before they were happy together.

Gettin there IS half the fun

[Leo Tanner]

I get ya John, just about anyone who seriously shoots C&B has done their fair share of tinkerin.  It is fun and for the fellers in the old days it was neccessity.  God bless ya fer makin that thing work and ensuring it a long life of service.

[Delmonico]

I guess those who are good at tinkering enjoy it, those who ain't don't.   

[Fiddler Green]

Boy... you've been all over the board today dropping little tidbits.   I wish I had noticed this one earlier.

So let me make sure I have this straight.  You say there isn't a capper available that works, yet you will chastise someone for making one work?  I'm sorry, but your logic eludes me.

Let me make sure I have this straight...If there were only GM vehicles available, you'd just walk to teach those no good manufacturers a lesson, do I have that right?

One last thing, customers did exactly what you were admonishing us to do well over 20 years ago.  I don't know about where you live but there aren't very many GM cars on the road, they were replaced beginning in the '70s by Japanese cars that actually worked and met the quality expectations of the buying public.  So the customers have been voting for 35 plus years with their car buying habits.  I really haven't seen GM take much notice.  In fact the one bright star they had (Saturn) they killed as soon as they got a chance.  As soon as they started cycling management from the other divisions to learn how to do it the Saturn way they were doomed.  There was a reason it was built in Tennessee and there was a reason they kept their development groups totally separate from the rest of GM.  There was also a reason they emulated the management worker relationships that were begun by foreign manufacturers who set up shop  primarily in the South.  Saturn had more patents than any other division in the short period they were allowed to exist.  Sure they had to kill it, it made the rest of them look like the mess they really were.

So spare the Cowboys who are just trying to make their cap guns work and load them safely.  By the way if you're not using a capper you don't have much respect for your fingers.  You'd better read and learn http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,1620.0.html .  If you are using a capper, then you aren't heeding your own advice.

Regards,
Mako

Oh, God, here we go again.....

Marko, I really don't care that you don't like me; if anything, I'm glad people like you don't. But, let's not let that cloud your judgment.

I said I haven't found a capper that works. That's not to say there isn't one, that says I've never found it. Oh, and I've looked for one.

The idea that one should go out and spend $15 to $30 dollars for a capper and then have to take power tools to it to get it to work is just wrong. Well, to me, anyway. I guess I'm just not like you (again, thank God!).

Don't know why your running off and comparing this to GM or any car manufacturer for that matter. I my world; a car is a nessesity. A capper is not.

As many here know, I shoot CAS matches (do you?). And many here have seen me shoot CAS matches with Cap and Ball pistols (have you?). As a matter of fact, I'll be shooting a Cap and Ball ONLY match next weekend (will you be there?). If I see a capper that works, I'll get one and let others know that I found one that works. Until then, I'll stand by what I've said.


I, also, shoot cartridge guns; sorry. Mostly, (but not always) I shoot Black Powder in them. I haven't shot Pyrodex this year, but, have in the past.

I'm half way through my 10th order of 1,000 Remington #10 caps and I've got no idea how many CCI caps I've fired off. So, that's my lever of Cap and Ball shooting. Other then a few cap burns, I've suffered no injuries from it.

Oh, and I drive an Audi...with Purple Heart license plates on it.


Bruce

[Mako]

Sigh... I see I'm going to have to go through this point by point because you either have a short memory,   or you don't read with comprehension.

Marko, I really don't care that you don't like me; if anything, I'm glad people like you don't. But, let's not let that cloud your judgment.

First of all my name is not MARKO... Secondly it has nothing to do with whether or not I like you, I have never met you.  I don't like your attitudes, the little balls of goo you drop and your derision of people who are only trying to do the right thing.

I said I haven't found a capper that works. That's not to say there isn't one, that says I've never found it. Oh, and I've looked for one.

The idea that one should go out and spend $15 to $30 dollars for a capper and then have to take power tools to it to get it to work is just wrong. Well, to me, anyway. I guess I'm just not like you (again, thank God!).

Looking isn't the point is it?  Having one is the point.  If you don't have one then you really don't know much about BP.  I provided a link for you to show you the consequences of not using one.  You chastising people for making one work to be safe serves no purpose other than for you to be dropping your little bits of goo as you have a tendency to do.  So tell us all wise one, what should someone who wants to shoot C&B for CAS do, have the guy next to him place his caps so he won't get himself hurt?   You see, you drop these nice little bombs, offer no solution then go merrily along to the next post where you can annoy someone else just trying to do the best they can.

And for not being like me, I couldn't agree with you more, from your posts I gather you're not anything like me.  I was trained to "Innovate Adapt and Overcome."  Not sit there and whine that the equipment I have to use isn't perfect.  That's what C&B is all about Bruce,  it takes a bit of gumption to shoot it.  So when someone is telling someone else how to overcome their problems don't you dare chime in with your condescending tone about it's all hopeless and it just can't be found.

Don't know why your running off and comparing this to GM or any car manufacturer for that matter. I my world; a car is a nessesity. A capper is not.

This is where my comment about your short memory comes in. YOU are the one who started going on about GM and how customers should complain.  I merely pointed out to you how they did and YOU even have by your selection of vehicles.  This is your problem Bruce I've seen it in other posts you've made as well.  You come barreling in like a bull or big dog, knock everything over and bound off again.  Then when someone calls you on it you act like the wounded party and feign ignorance (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt on that one).

As many here know, I shoot CAS matches (do you?). And many here have seen me shoot CAS matches with Cap and Ball pistols (have you?). As a matter of fact, I'll be shooting a Cap and Ball ONLY match next weekend (will you be there?). If I see a capper that works, I'll get one and let others know that I found one that works. Until then, I'll stand by what I've said.

Yes, Bruce I do.  In fact it's all I shoot, I only shoot C&B in CAS.   Let me say it one more time because you obviously don't read everything in the threads you post to.  You have made posts on threads where I have explained at length that I have EXCLUSIVELY shot CAS matches with C&B for the last 5 years.  I take cartridge pistols as backups for rain days.  Let me make sure you read it again because you may have already forgotten...I shoot CAS at several clubs exclusively with C&B.  Do you need that in a language other than English, if you do,  tell me which one and I will be happy to PM you the response in that language.

I'm pleased  that you are going to be shooting in a C&B only match next week, you should do more.  I just hope you don't ever have a picture like Cuts Crooked to show us.  As for finding the capper, good luck.  You'll be waiting a long time for that one to drop into your lap.  If you want one, then do what real men (and women) do, modify one.
 

I, also, shoot cartridge guns; sorry. Mostly, (but not always) I shoot Black Powder in them. I haven't shot Pyrodex this year, but, have in the past.
I'm half way through my 10th order of 1,000 Remington #10 caps and I've got no idea how many CCI caps I've fired off. So, that's my lever of Cap and Ball shooting. Other then a few cap burns, I've suffered no injuries from it.

Congratulations, more people should shoot gunpowder in CAS, I believe it would actually help our diminishing membership.  Every year I see it slipping away.

As far as your mannerisms with caps, I would keep that to yourself.  It really isn't anything to brag about if you are handling them by hand.  We don't want others to pick up your bad habits.  We would rather grow our ranks instead of deplete them.

By the way what is a "cap burn?"  how would you get burned by a cap unless you are shooting two handed?   Don't ignore this one I want to understand that one.  It is a new one to me.

Oh, and I drive an Audi...with Purple Heart license plates on it.

Well thank you for your service.  I think at least half of us on this forum are active duty, active reserves or veterans.    I'm assuming your service ribbon color is red, yellow and green.

As far as the Audi goes it seems you did just what you were admonishing us to do with GM.

That's it Bruce.  We're not going to snap to and say "yes sir" just because you shoot a few matches with C&B.  The fact you don't have a capper and are not willing to make one work tells most of us exactly what we need to know.  You can judge a man by his friends, how kind he is to those who need help and by what he has in his shooting box.

If you want to have your opinions respected, then learn to respect others and especially those that are attempting to help someone.

Have a good day,
Mako

[Fiddler Green]

Mako,

Sorry, I knew a guy named Marko that was full of himself too. I guess I just got you to confused.

Wow, I can see you did a lot of typing in the service. I did more shooting. Appears I still do.

Thanks for not liking me, never liked REMF's and glad they don't like me. I've never been impressed by internet watabe bullies either. I live in the second house on Seven Gables way, Capitola, CA. If you ever want to drop by and discuss cappers.


Just for the facts,

I've had three cappers that don't work (still have two of them). I have ten fingers that do. As a matter of fact, most of the CAS shooters that I've seen seem to use fingers. Some try to use cappers and give up; but it makes for a good place to carry the caps. I ahve a little bress tin that I got from Track of the Wolf to carry my caps in; looks better than the tin they come in.  Some try to use it and then will follow up with their fingers. Some will give a push with a piece of dowel rod to seat the caps: I don't see the need as I shoot Remington Caps and they fit. I do have a dowel, though.

So, you shoot matches with C&B pistols and you've never been burned by a hot piece of cap? Hummmmm........... How many rounds have you fired? Maybe you'll post a link to one of your matches? I've been burned a few times.

That I can remember: Hasn't happen with Remington Caps; just CCI. I've made sure that I keep plenty of Remington's on hand, now.  Hasn't happen with subs either, just full loads of real BP; maybe that's it. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure I've ever been burned by a cap from my Remington 1858...only the Colts; but, don't quote me on that. It's normally on the my left hand right by my trigger finger.

Still not sure what GM has to do with any of this. Did I complain about GM cars (or trucks?) somewhere? Maybe you think GM makes cappers? Maybe they do!

Yes, I drive an Audi. I got a good deal on it and I wanted the 4-wheel drive for skiing. I ordered my Audi on the way to Bosnia (Security Force 7, Task Force Eagle - 3ACR, 49th AD and elements of 20th SFG). I picked it up on the way home. I guess that makes me a little less American then a guy that bought his GM down the block; I can live with that. I have allot of different ribbons with allot of different colors. I wear them under my CIB. That's the thing with the little muzzleloader on it, in case you didn't know (that was a direct dig, you can cry about it). I like shooting muzzleloaders too. BTW.

Bruce

[Mako]

Bruce,

You need to take it off line...feel free to PM me.

Regards,
Mako

[Fiddler Green]

Bruce,

You need to take it off line...feel free to PM me.

Regards,
Mako

Giving orders again, Marko?

You amy have noticed that most of the people here are having problems with caoppers. Some have modified their cappers wile some have gone so far as to modify their guns. All to accomodete a capper!?! Why?!? Why can't one just buy a capper that works?
Answer that question and you'll have said something usefull.

Bruce