I just don't understand.

Doc Sunrise · March 17, 2009, 03:03:44 AM

As I dearly love the whole idea of guns from the American West, I truly enjoy some of the magazines such as "GUNS Of The Old West". In the new issue, Wiley Clapp has written an article about the Colt Peacemaker where he states that USFA truly replicates the Peacemaker design and that Ruger imitates it. Nice sound bite for USFA. However, at the end of the article, under "For More Information Contact:" Colt, Freedom Arms & Ruger are listed, but no USFA. Then to make it worse, directly next to the article the magazine has placed a fairly extensive contact list, again including companies like Cimarron, EMF, Ruger & Uberti, but no USFA. Is it because maybe USFA didn't advertise with them? To not include USFA just seems wrong to me!

Major 2 · March 17, 2009, 04:11:08 AM

"Is it because maybe USFA didn't advertise with them? " BINGO !

Ruger back cover , Uberti inside front cover, Cimarron facing first page all Prestige placings and full page ads.
Not to say USFA has not had it's coverge, hving been featured in Articles, I suspect you hve nailed it.
I also found it very interesting USFA was not an Exibitor at Shot Show in Orlando. Nor was the once featured in "GOTOW" USFA Remington shown at the Remington booth as it was at Shot Show Las Vegas in 08. $:-\$

Deadeye Don · March 17, 2009, 06:19:33 AM

It would appear that USFA is cutting their advertizing budget in addition to avoiding direct questions about certain products. It would be hard to blame GOTOW for this. I doubt I would want to go out of my way to mention USFAs name in my publication if they dont advertize in it. Interesting observation Doc.

Major 2 · March 17, 2009, 08:42:39 AM

xactly , Don... I don't blame GOTOW....

I'm a bit more suspicious....about the still birth of the USFA Remington...

the two reasons I fear $:-\$

1. the 58 will be so costly to stand alone as it may be unprofitable ( what with both USFA & Remington needing to show in the black ).

2. The fed's (Obama etal ) and internal locks mandates

for the 75 .... may be the reason the whole project is on back burner

Marshal Deadwood · March 17, 2009, 09:19:09 AM

There seems to be a bit of anger toward USFA. I really do not understand. They either have a product for sale,,or they don't. Decisions to market/manufacture are internal and oft not of the nature to discuss to the public. Add the economic situation, and things can become even more complicated. High end items with low sale numbers could mean a loss, and not many companies have the ability to experiment with risky ventures right now. It actually comes down, not to USFA, but to the fact of how many of US would buy a certain offering. I do not know a soul right now that is not being more cautious of their dollars.

From the products they produce, I would have to say they are still the best gun made in America. Them , and Shilohs Sharps.

Just muzing,,,and confused somewhat,

MD

RRio · March 17, 2009, 01:59:42 PM

Quote from: Doc Sunrise on March 17, 2009, 03:03:44 AM
In the new issue, Wiley Clapp has written an article about the Colt Peacemaker where he states that USFA truly replicates the Peacemaker design and that Ruger imitates it.

I would disagree with Mr. Clapp on this point. Ruger improved it. The internal design of the Rugers are far superior to the Colt design. While in the years that I have repaired Colt and replicas, parts such as main, trigger, and hand springs, broken bolts and hands (pawls) have always been the major culprits, about the biggest problem Ruger has is broken transfer bars.

Given a choice for one gun for a lifetime survival mode between Colt , USFA, and Ruger? Ruger wins hands down.

Quote from: Major 2 on March 17, 2009, 08:42:39 AM
2. The fed's (Obama etal ) and internal locks mandates for the 75 .... may be the reason the whole project is on back burner

With all fairness to Obama, you can't blame him with this one. Everybody was waiting on it way before he was elected. When did we first hear about it? Close to 1 1/2 - 2 years ago?

Quote from: Major 2 on March 17, 2009, 04:11:08 AM
"Is it because maybe USFA didn't advertise with them? " BINGO !

Ruger back cover , Uberti inside front cover, Cimarron facing first page all Prestige placings and full page ads.
Not to say USFA has not had it's coverge, hving been featured in Articles, I suspect you hve nailed it.
I also found it very interesting USFA was not an Exibitor at Shot Show in Orlando. Nor was the once featured in "GOTOW" USFA Remington shown at the Remington booth as it was at Shot Show Las Vegas in 08. $:-\$

I've also noticed over the years, USFA does very little sponsoring of major CAS matches like Colt (i.e. EOT) or Ruger (Winter Range), in other words, they've been riding the gravy train.

To me, with the avoidance of answering questions, and not giving the customers the models they are begging for and instead bringing out models that received very little interest, USFA is giving the appearance really becoming Colt.

Major 2 · March 17, 2009, 05:19:18 PM

"There seems to be a bit of anger toward USFA" $:-\$ not from me ...though I do question the need, for rainbow color offereing in their SAA

What marking wiz-bang came up with that one

Nor do I blame OBAMA, but the Liberal Fed's, of which He is the Shepard of the Hill.

Harley Starr · March 17, 2009, 11:29:55 PM

Quote. The fed's (Obama etal ) and internal locks mandates for the 75 .... may be the reason the whole project is on back burner

Good Grief! Hundreds of Thoundsands of guns of far more popular makes and models and they pick on the underdog?

The Mr. Magoo's that are running the show need to go up on the mountain and get their heads on straight!

RRio · March 18, 2009, 02:03:57 AM

Quote from: Major 2 on March 17, 2009, 05:19:18 PM
...though I do question the need, for rainbow color offereing in their SAA

I can even look at the pictures of them.

$:-\$

Quote from: Major 2 on March 17, 2009, 08:42:39 AM
2. The fed's (Obama etal ) and internal locks mandates for the 75 .... may be the reason the whole project is on back burner

Is this something that I've not heard about?

Doc Sunrise · March 18, 2009, 11:06:13 AM

Boy,
Cowboys are awfully tough on those matte finished magnum series revolvers. These are more for the hunter that wants a single action that is possibly in different camo colors. I believe for the more Single Action Diehards there will be an all Blue variation available in the future. Camo rifles were looked as funny when they first came out, but now you see more and more of them, and they have become common place.

Major 2 · March 18, 2009, 11:29:19 AM

BUT PINK !

Capt. John Fitzgerald · March 18, 2009, 11:36:06 AM

Doc hit the nail right on the head! Those guns are, without doubt, an attempt to appeal to the handgun hunting crowd. Some people here may find this hard to believe, but the world does not begin and end with cowboy action shooting.

shieldsmt · March 18, 2009, 11:59:04 AM

I think we are in the minority, those of us who love the 19th century firearms. When I tell someone we hunt with black powder cartridges and lead bullets out of 1873 Winchesters and carry single action Colts and the like I generally can see there eyes glaze over and then they go on and on about their Weatherby xxx magnum and 4x12 x50 scope etc. Same goes for the '76's, highwals, Sharps, RB's etc. Our market is pretty specialized and limited. If they can break into the handgun hunting crowd or the like with something jazzy and different, God bless'em. I'm sure they have done their market research. The Remington gun would be great to own, expensive, but a very limited group would buy it. I can only imagine the BS USFA has probably gone through with Remington or Cerubus or whoever the controls them. If it happens, great. I'm not holding my breath. I just hope the company thrives and keeps putting out the best SAA eve rmade.

Doc Sunrise · March 18, 2009, 12:07:29 PM

Shieldsmt,
Here Here! 3 Cheers for the prosperity of USFA!

Major 2,
I believe the colors are Forest Green, Coyote Tan, Sage Green, Federal Brown (not pink), Black Graphite, and Sniper Grey. I personally like the Forest Green and Black Graphite.

Capt. John,
I am afraid you are correct about how truly small the Cowboy world is, relative to all of the shooters out there. Black seems to be the word for now.

AJD · March 19, 2009, 01:03:22 AM

On the US Firearms forum Gary Granger said that we should expect to see a high polish blue Shooting Master avialable.

My take is that if you are going to annouce something then you owe it to the consumer to keep them at least updated. The Woodsmen and Remington models were annouced and then we have gotten basically nothing.

It would be better to come to this forum and just say "Right now we dont' know when or if they will ever be made and here is the reason why".

Deadeye Don · March 19, 2009, 10:28:02 AM

Quote from: AJD on March 19, 2009, 01:03:22 AM
On the US Firearms forum Gary Granger said that we should expect to see a high polish blue Shooting Master avialable.

My take is that if you are going to annouce something then you owe it to the consumer to keep them at least updated. The Woodsmen and Remington models were annouced and then we have gotten basically nothing.

It would be better to come to this forum and just say "Right now we dont' know when or if they will ever be made and here is the reason why".

Exactly my point. Plans change and sh-- happens. What you dont do is ignore your customers who have supported your products.

Ten Wolves Fiveshooter · March 19, 2009, 12:08:02 PM

I don't know, I really don't think you would have seen multiple colored sixguns in the 18oo's or old west, NO, I KNOW you wouldn't have unless you were a flamer, I feel insulted that they would even feel a MAN would be interested in a Crappy looking gun like this, heck even Mattel tries to make there TOY guns look REAL........

tEN wOLVES

Appalachian Ed · March 19, 2009, 12:31:42 PM

They are probably being marketed to the boys out on the West coast.

You would never see anything like that in Dixie.

Doc Sunrise · March 19, 2009, 12:46:29 PM

If USFA only made replica firearms from the 1800's without enjoying the availability of technology and metals improvements to expand on those designs and build different variations of those firearms, they would have gone defunct in the beginning. They have a responsibility to try out what is possible and where "SHOOTING ENTHUSIASTS" express an interest. Remember, "SHOOTING ENTHUSIASTS" equates to much more than just Cowboy Shooters. Another way to look at this is they did not have the internet back in the 1800's either! Should USFA get rid of their web site?

Capt. John Fitzgerald · March 19, 2009, 01:48:26 PM

Good point, Doc. Ands here's another thought... Maybe they should do away with the Rodeo and Rodeo II models as well. Those finishes weren't around in the 1800's either. That way they could cater only to those who demand authenticity and completely ignore potential customers who are looking for a top quality, entry level SAA that is reasonably priced.