cap splater

[Doc O]

Need a little advice.
Recently got 2 58's. Replaced the cones withTresos. Shooting 25 grs. 3f, felt wad, .454 ball and lube on top.
They both shoot great. May problem is [maybe I have no problem] the caps seam to splater or flatten out after firing.
Is this a problem or to be expected?

Thanks Doc

[Deadguy]

That's what the caps do.  Sometimes they distenegrate entirely as well.

[hellgate]

As long as they don't hang up and jam the rotation of the cylinder it doesn't matter. Usually my caps bloom out and fly free of the gun with each subsequent firing leaving only the last cap fired under the hammer. I like it that way.

[Doc O]

Thanks Deadguy.

hellgate. They pretty much do as you describe. But now and then try to jam rotation.
Do you think trying 2f, same charge would help? I am going to give it a try but would like to know what you think.

Doc

[hellgate]

2F is a little softer shooting due to slower burning and thus lower pressure. I never did swap out my Remington nipples and they're doing fine. Anything is worth a try. All I shoot in my Walkers & Dragoon is FFg.

[hellgate]

Doc,
I sent you a PM but forgot to ask for an email address. I need to attach the pic.
Hellgate

[Fox Creek Kid]

Years ago, I was shooting an Uberti '60 Army and a piece of cap fragment with priming compound landed exactly on the tip of my trigger finger!!    It took very ounce of will to keep from dropping the gun. It burned a little white hole in the fingertip pad. MAN, did that hurt!!   

[Wagon Box Willy]

OK, newbie question here.  Does the cap deform because of the cap firing off (what I thought) or is it the blowback from the powder going off?

Thanks
Willy

[Angel_Eyes]

Try busting a cap on an empty chamber, the cap will split but not as much as with a load, so I think the answer is:- a bit of both!!

Does that question mean that you have never 'capped off', to ensure dry chambers? (Serious question--not being funny)

AE

[Wagon Box Willy]

Try busting a cap on an empty chamber, the cap will split but not as much as with a load, so I think the answer is:- a bit of both!!

Does that question mean that you have never 'capped off', to ensure dry chambers? (Serious question--not being funny)

AE

Yea, I do and now that you mention it my caps always stay on then.  I've only thus far used pinched #11's.  I just got some #10 Rems but haven't tried them yet.  I had figured that the splitting caps was somewhat related to them being over sized.

When I say newbie though I mean newbie.  I've only shot the gun 4 or 5 times.....I have to do it when my wife isn't home as she isn't a fan.

[hellgate]

You'll like the Remington #10 caps. No pinching needed and they snug up nicely.

[Flint]

It's actually good that the caps open up, as removing them from the nipple cone if they didn't would be a difficult job.  As long as they don't jam the action, you're OK, as others have mentioned.  I'm sure easy removal of fired caps, as well as seating new ones on the cone is the main reason for the material being as thin as it is, as well as the fluted ribbing allowing the expansion when you seat them.

Incidently, the Pietta hammer face does not match the angle of the cone face (10 degrees), and the hit the cap only on the top edge.  If the hammer is modified to match the cone better, the caps are less likely to fall completely off until the cylinder is turned to the next chamber.

I don't think the Ubertis are as far off, but I haven't checked my Ubertis that closely, as most all my Remingtons have a conversion cylinder installed, so it's not that critical.

[Doc O]

Thanks hellgate and everyone else.

I went out this evening, tried 2f, the guns didn't like it.
Went back to the 3f, that works really good.
As far as the caps, I was probably trying to fix something that wasn't broken.
Fox Creek Kid. I shoot a lot of flink locks. I can relate to the finger nail. A hot ember on the end of the nose will send you dancing.
hellgate, my email is in my profile
Doc
Flint. I just re-read your post. I'll try to do something with the hammer face. Wouldn't want to take off to much though.

[Flint]

Doc O:

If the hammer doesn't hit the frame, where the shoulder of the nose (firing pin) is, when it is resting against a cap, the gap there is the amount that can be removed from the nose of the hammer.

[Doc O]

Thanks Flint. Yes that makes sence, I didn't look at it like that.
I can see on the one gun anyway that the hammer does hit high on the cones.
Doc

Just looked at both guns and see what you mean.  I must be blind.

[Fiddler Green]

Let me guess.....you're using CCI caps. I call them Crap Caps. They fragment all over the place and will throw those fragemtns into your shooting hand. Change to Remington caps and you'll find life is much better.

Bruce