Period correct Remington conversion???

HorsePen Henry · February 20, 2009, 10:52:27 AM

Howdy fellas,
Does anyone have any idea who I should contact that does a real good conversion on Remington cap and ball revolvers? I want mine to have a loading gate and a groove in the frame for stickin' the bullets in the thing with. My grandaddy had one back at the turn a the century and is in the Davis Gun Museum in Claremore and I would like to have one like it to shoot.
Anybody doin' this kinda work for us? Do ya have any idea how much it would cost?
Thank ya kindly,
Horse Pen

French Jack · February 20, 2009, 11:08:52 AM

Bob Millington is the person to go to. You can Google him, he has moved and should have his shop set back up by now. Give him a call. Don't know what his fee is.

Books OToole · February 20, 2009, 11:51:33 AM

Jack;

Is he the one that did Homer's?

Books

Yuma Kid · February 20, 2009, 12:23:52 PM

All,
I have left numerous emails and phone messages at Bob's new address and cannot get any reply about accepting new work or cost involved. I wanted a get a match to the Richards Conversion that R&D (they no longer do conversions by the way) did on the 1860 3rd Gen. Colt gun I own. I hope you have better luck than I. I did buy one of the newer Uberti (Taylor & Co.) factory conversions to the 58 Remington. They are very well done and reasonably priced ($400-450) in .45 long Colt.
Yuma

Deadeye Don · February 20, 2009, 12:27:53 PM

Quote from: Yuma City Kid on February 20, 2009, 12:23:52 PM
All,
I have left numerous emails and phone messages at Bob's new address and cannot get any reply about accepting new work or cost involved. I wanted a get a match to the Richards Conversion that R&D (they no longer do conversions by the way) did on the 1860 3rd Gen. Colt gun I own. I hope you have better luck than I. I did buy one of the newer Uberti (Taylor & Co.) factory conversions to the 58 Remington. They are very well done and reasonably priced ($400-450) in .45 long Colt.
Yuma

Yes, but how historically accurate are the Uberti (Taylor) conversions??

HorsePen Henry · February 20, 2009, 01:06:43 PM

P.S. I would also like for this person to be honorable and reliable. I would like to get my pistol back in a reasonable amount a time.
Does that fit any ones modus operindee that ya know of?

Horse Pen

Fox Creek Kid · February 20, 2009, 02:19:19 PM

Millington was the only person to commercially make a correct "thin plate" .44 Rem. conversion. Kenny Howell made a prototype "thin plate" that was for Taylor's and was supposed to go into production in Italy but the project got shelved. Tammy at Taylor's has the only prototype and no, she won't sell it. I already asked her years ago.

Last I knew Millington was not taking on any new work, but perhaps that has changed since he moved.

French Jack · February 20, 2009, 02:23:55 PM

Bob Millington has done several period correct conversions, and I understand from a friend, Homer Brown, that the wait is several months. I don't know what his rates are, but his work is superb. The conversions marketed by Uberti are decent, but not quite up to his standards, of course the prices are much lower. Homer has both conversions by Millington and one by Uberti. There is no comparison.

Books OToole · February 20, 2009, 04:48:45 PM

I have seen and handled Homer's Millington conversion. It is outstanding.

I have four R & Ds and the difference in like night & day.

Books

Tjackstephens · February 20, 2009, 05:16:00 PM

The 58 Remington conversion from Taylor Arms is suppose to be just like the comversions that Remington put out. This is not a cap and ball that had been converted, but the gun that came from the factory. You can go to their web site to see them. TJ

Daniel Nighteyes · February 22, 2009, 11:14:17 AM

Quote from: Tjackstephens on February 20, 2009, 05:16:00 PM
The 58 Remington conversion from Taylor Arms is suppose to be just like the comversions that Remington put out. This is not a cap and ball that had been converted, but the gun that came from the factory. You can go to their web site to see them. TJ

I got to see, handle and shoot one yesterday. This one has really good fit/finish, smooth action, and it shot where I aimed. The only thing I didn't really care for is having to unlatch the ram lever to use the ejector.

I don't know how historically accurate they are, but this one surely looked right. I'd love to have a pair of 'em. (Now all I gotta do is find the $$$$$...)

Fox Creek Kid · February 22, 2009, 01:15:18 PM

Quote from: Daniel Nighteyes on February 22, 2009, 11:14:17 AM...I don't know how historically accurate they are, but this one surely looked right...

They're not. At least for .44. All original .44 Remington factory conversions were "thin "plate" types, except for a few experimentals. They one made by Uberti for Taylor's, Cimarron, etc., is correct for a .38 cal. conversion. The Remington Navy conversions had a loading gate very similar to the one used by Uberti. The .44's, no.

Deadeye Don · February 23, 2009, 08:06:53 AM

Quote from: Fox Creek Kid on February 22, 2009, 01:15:18 PM
They're not. At least for .44. All original .44 Remington factory conversions were "thin "plate" types, except for a few experimentals. They one made by Uberti for Taylor's, Cimarron, etc., is correct for a .38 cal. conversion. The Remington Navy conversions had a loading gate very similar to the one used by Uberti. The .44's, no.

So you are saying if one buys the 38 conversion from Taylors, that would be a historically correct conversion, but if one buys the 44 colt version that it would not be correct??

Daniel Nighteyes · February 23, 2009, 09:59:42 AM

Quote from: Fox Creek Kid on February 22, 2009, 01:15:18 PM
All original .44 Remington factory conversions were "thin "plate" types, except for a few experimentals.

Okay, so 'splain it to me -- what is meant by "thin plate" and how would I know when I'm seeing an example?

Long Johns Wolf · February 23, 2009, 10:23:15 AM

Thin plate conversion made from Uberti C&B Remmie, .44 Colt cal.
Long Johns Wolf

Daniel Nighteyes · February 23, 2009, 10:27:01 AM

Quote from: Long Johns Wolf on February 23, 2009, 10:23:15 AM
Thin plate conversion made from Uberti C&B Remmie, .44 Colt cal.
Long Johns Wolf

Beautiful. Now, what am I looking for? [Sorry, but in this area I'm a major doofus...]

Long Johns Wolf · February 23, 2009, 10:32:10 AM

For comparison .38 cal original Remmie conversion. Note loading gate and dove tailed front sight.
The Uberti got no gate and the thin recoil plate dove tailed into the frame.
Long Johns Wolf

Major 2 · February 23, 2009, 10:48:58 AM

Quote from: Daniel Nighteyes on February 22, 2009, 11:14:17 AM
I got to see, handle and shoot one yesterday. This one has really good fit/finish, smooth action, and it shot where I aimed. The only thing I didn't really care for is having to unlatch the ram lever to use the ejector.

I don't know how historically accurate they are, but this one surely looked right. I'd love to have a pair of 'em. (Now all I gotta do is find the $$$$$...)

I picked one up in a trade ..
I have had unknown #'s of 58 C&B's from Pietta, Euroarms ASM & Uberti , purchased as props and when Filming wrapped I sold or traded them off...
Being partial to Colt's 1860 and it conversion, I never really hankered for one.
But this Conversion is a keeper it lanches the same 250 Grained Loads I use in my Henry's and hits POA.
I suppect, the PO had adj. it to shoot this well as I did nothing out of the box.
It is solid, well turn out .I figured it would do until USFA had their in production.
Now I'm not so sure USFA will even make their's.

As to correct...I have seen & held , 1 Original thick plate 44 conversion, in Mr. Dents collection...I can't say if it was a factory conversion or the work of a talented period Smith...I just know it was very nice presentation piece complete with showcase box.

Fox Creek Kid · February 23, 2009, 11:36:17 AM

Quote from: Deadeye Don on February 23, 2009, 08:06:53 AM
So you are saying if one buys the 38 conversion from Taylors, that would be a historically correct conversion, but if one buys the 44 colt version that it would not be correct??

The original .38 conversion made by Remington was also made on a smaller frame size than the .44 as well.

Deadeye Don · February 24, 2009, 06:24:41 AM

Ok so the consensus is that the Remington conversion made by Uberti and offered by Taylors is NOT a correct reproduction.

True...............or False.