Lube ..Once Again

Charlie Bowdre · February 15, 2009, 08:55:27 AM

Boys , if there is a more lazy gent on this board then me ...speak up .
I have a question for all you Soot Knights. I

I cram about 20 gr of 2ff Goex in my 38's ( 51 Navy RM Conversions) . I am always trying to figure out how to easily apply my pan lube mix of Crisco and Bees wax.
Tam shooting 158 gr RNFP.

On an old but valid article on CAS and BP Abilene had mentioned slobbing a wad of Crisco in the front of the first few bullets in a cylinder . Effective.

Now me being a tad lazier .. am wondering if you could simply dip the bullet part of the cartridge in the liquid pan mix?

Someone say Yes!!!
I have done a few , the mix hardens right away , they chamber fine.and I am waiting to try them at the range.

Anyone ever try this or have any comments ( other then on my laziness) about possible negative issues?

All joking aside I'd appreciate your input and comments.

Cohagen · February 15, 2009, 09:29:37 AM

I'll bet after you shoot a few, you find the lifter and the ejector pretty well gummed up. I don't think lube in front of the bullit has much effect except to prevent chain fires. Chain fires are not a problem on the front end if your bullits fit properly. I would like to hear how it goes with your idea. Let us know the number of rounds you get off without gumming the works. Interesting.

Cohagen

Charlie Bowdre · February 15, 2009, 09:49:14 AM

will do . hope to try them on Monday
dutchy

Raider2000 · February 15, 2009, 12:05:42 PM

The main reason for inside lubed bullets was because of the collection of dirt & what not on the exposed lubricant of the bullet, the main reason Russia wanted the inside lubed design when the .44 Russian round was developed for them from Smith & Wesson.

I would think that if your lube groves are already well lubed then you have plenty of lube to work with in your loads.

Fox Creek Kid · February 15, 2009, 12:42:12 PM

Quote from: Raider2000 on February 15, 2009, 12:05:42 PM...the main reason Russia wanted the inside lubed design when the .44 Russian round was developed for them from Smith & Wesson...

The ORIGINAL .44 Russian round was NOT an inside lubed bullet. The first .44 Russian inside lubed bullets ctgs. were manufactured in the mid 1880's here in the USA. Here are some early examples:

http://www.oldammo.com/september04.htm

Dirty Brass · February 15, 2009, 02:54:40 PM

It was my understanding that the lube in front of the cartridges would mainly keep the forcing cone area soft and help with caking around the cyclinder gap. Not much help down the pipe so to speak. Putting the lube on the front of the bullets would basically do the same thing wouldn't it? I mean, most of it would burn off or get scraped off before getting into the barrel rifling, etc. I know some are lubed like that with a harder lube coating - that might sustain initial ignition and forcing into the barrel a little better.

Charlie Bowdre · February 15, 2009, 03:11:14 PM

Good points , thanks . I figured it was too easy to be of much use. Oh well I only did up 10 , so I can bang them away . My cast bullets do not have any lube in them , I guess I'll stick to the pan lube.

Thanks for the replies.
Dutchy

Raider2000 · February 15, 2009, 04:13:48 PM

Quote from: Fox Creek Kid
The ORIGINAL .44 Russian round was NOT an inside lubed bullet. The first .44 Russian inside lubed bullets ctgs. were manufactured in the mid 1880's here in the USA. Here are some early examples:

I stand corrected.
I orriginally thought that once the initial design changes were taking form & trial revolvers were submitted that the General Gorloff come back with the new inside lubed bullet design & wanted the change take place earlier than the 1880's.

Dick Dastardly · February 15, 2009, 04:59:39 PM

Sargent Smokepole did the bullet dip some time back. He had good results with it in his pistols, but it is messy. I don't know if he does it any more.

The 158 grain 38 Cal. Snakebite Greasewagon is one of the original Big Lube™ designs. It has several benefits, one being that huge lube canyon. The other is the long ogive flat nose that loads great in cheep 38 Special brass and makes 357 Mag OAL ammo that feeds slicker 'n snot in 357 Mag lever rifles. This bullet design has become the hands down winner in the 38 Cal black powder rifles and pistols that have been so popular.

DD-DLoS

Charlie Bowdre · February 15, 2009, 05:56:36 PM

DD
You are right about the SnakeBites . I have one of your molds and do em up for my 357 Uberti 73 . In that they are great. I have used pan lube on them as well as SPG in my lube sizer.

have used them in my 51's but have problems with arthritis and to cast that many is a rough go.

I am too far away to buy and have them shipped . So I buy some reg 38's to load up my pistols .
I can attest to the SB's though , they are great.

Cheers
Dutchy

Oliver Loving · February 16, 2009, 07:54:34 AM

I have the snakebite mold and the EPP-UG for my c & b revolvers. Both molds do well after running the bullets through a sizer. Since I'm only made a couple of hundred rounds of each I have lots to learn. Presently I'm pan lubing. Looking at either a RCBS or a Star kit. I do have a fellow Deadwood Marshall whom I'm going to visit to see how his Stars work.

I did purchase 1000 round of snakebite from Slim for my first trial of bullet type to use, and my Marlin, Henry, and "73" all cycle extremely well

Charlie Bowdre · February 16, 2009, 03:16:20 PM

Test Report # 1

Hi Gents

Well I had a few minutes at the range and blasted away 20 of the rounds I had slobbered the pan lube on .

They shot well , actually good grouping although I wasn't looking for anything more then to hit the target
What I did notice was that it did not seem to gum up around the cylinder BUT did seem a little dry at the muzzle end.

Anyway it was fun , nother excuse to go shooting .

"Hon , I have to test these rounds , the guys at CAS are expecting some reports."

Gotta love it and her for putting up with it!

Thanks for all the input . I think I'll put this one to bed. What's next

Dutchy