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Texas Lawdog

#680
September 12, 2009, 08:34:36 PM
Hey Leo, It's a B 17 outfit of the 8th AF, the 385th BG.
SASS#47185  RO I   ROII       NCOWS#2244  NCOWS Life #186  BOLD#393 GAF#318 SCORRS#1 SBSS#1485  WASA#666  RATS#111  BOSS#155  Storm#241 Henry 1860#92 W3G#1000  Warthog AZSA #28  American Plainsmen Society #69  Masonic Cowboy Shootist  Hiram's Rangers#18  FOP  Lt. Col  Grand Army of The Frontier, Life Member CAF
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Leo Tanner

#681
September 12, 2009, 08:42:42 PM
Thank you!  I'm waiting on my confirmation email from the site.  Any lead is a good one.
"When you have to shoot, shoot.  Don't talk."
     Tuco--The Good the Bad and the Ugly

"First comes smiles, then lies.  Last is gunfire."
     Roland Deschain

"Every man steps in the manure now an again, trick is not ta stick yer foot in yer mouth afterward"

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Ozark Tracker

#682
September 12, 2009, 08:45:20 PM
I figgured it'd be of interest to you guys that have talked about the B 17's

it was an interesting read.

hope that you can find out some good info Leo.
We done it for Dixie,  nothing else

"I've traveled a long way and some of the roads weren't paved."

Texas Lawdog

#683
September 12, 2009, 08:50:54 PM
In 43, things could have gone either way in the air war over Europe.
SASS#47185  RO I   ROII       NCOWS#2244  NCOWS Life #186  BOLD#393 GAF#318 SCORRS#1 SBSS#1485  WASA#666  RATS#111  BOSS#155  Storm#241 Henry 1860#92 W3G#1000  Warthog AZSA #28  American Plainsmen Society #69  Masonic Cowboy Shootist  Hiram's Rangers#18  FOP  Lt. Col  Grand Army of The Frontier, Life Member CAF
   Col.  CAF  NRA  TSRA   BOA  Dooley Gang  BOPP  ROWSS  Scarlet Mask Vigilance Society Great Lakes Freight and Mining Company  Cow Cracker Cavalry   Berger Sharpshooters "I had no Irons in the Fire". "Are you gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie"?

Ozark Tracker

#684
September 13, 2009, 05:37:22 PM
Leo, did you get to get in and read the B-17 Log ???
We done it for Dixie,  nothing else

"I've traveled a long way and some of the roads weren't paved."

Leo Tanner

#685
September 13, 2009, 06:05:55 PM
No, I just keep getting a blank page.  I will try again tonight.
"When you have to shoot, shoot.  Don't talk."
     Tuco--The Good the Bad and the Ugly

"First comes smiles, then lies.  Last is gunfire."
     Roland Deschain

"Every man steps in the manure now an again, trick is not ta stick yer foot in yer mouth afterward"

religio SENIOR est exordium of scientia : tamen fossor contemno sapientia quod instruction.

Silver Creek Slim

#686
September 13, 2009, 07:17:55 PM
Quote from: Leo Tanner on September 13, 2009, 06:05:55 PM
No, I just keep getting a blank page.  I will try again tonight.
Sent ya an email.

Slim
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I love the smell of Black Powder in the morning!

Leo Tanner

#687
September 13, 2009, 10:53:28 PM
I got it.  Turns out I didn't have Adobe Reader installed after my last reformat.  I'm a dummy sometimes. 

Thank you very much for that.  Just the hand written letter in the beginning was great to see.  It was strange that they didn't list the whole crew.  It takes a lot more than a pilot, co pilot, bombadier an navigator ta run one of those things in combat.
"When you have to shoot, shoot.  Don't talk."
     Tuco--The Good the Bad and the Ugly

"First comes smiles, then lies.  Last is gunfire."
     Roland Deschain

"Every man steps in the manure now an again, trick is not ta stick yer foot in yer mouth afterward"

religio SENIOR est exordium of scientia : tamen fossor contemno sapientia quod instruction.

Texas Lawdog

#688
September 14, 2009, 07:22:18 AM
Leo, I'm glad that you were able to read the B 17 log.
SASS#47185  RO I   ROII       NCOWS#2244  NCOWS Life #186  BOLD#393 GAF#318 SCORRS#1 SBSS#1485  WASA#666  RATS#111  BOSS#155  Storm#241 Henry 1860#92 W3G#1000  Warthog AZSA #28  American Plainsmen Society #69  Masonic Cowboy Shootist  Hiram's Rangers#18  FOP  Lt. Col  Grand Army of The Frontier, Life Member CAF
   Col.  CAF  NRA  TSRA   BOA  Dooley Gang  BOPP  ROWSS  Scarlet Mask Vigilance Society Great Lakes Freight and Mining Company  Cow Cracker Cavalry   Berger Sharpshooters "I had no Irons in the Fire". "Are you gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie"?

Texas Lawdog

#689
September 14, 2009, 03:53:38 PM
Well, I sent in my application to work as a volunteer at the Cavanaugh Museum of Flight in Addison. I should know in a week or so if I make the grade. It will be something to do to get out of the house and do stuff I know a little about.
SASS#47185  RO I   ROII       NCOWS#2244  NCOWS Life #186  BOLD#393 GAF#318 SCORRS#1 SBSS#1485  WASA#666  RATS#111  BOSS#155  Storm#241 Henry 1860#92 W3G#1000  Warthog AZSA #28  American Plainsmen Society #69  Masonic Cowboy Shootist  Hiram's Rangers#18  FOP  Lt. Col  Grand Army of The Frontier, Life Member CAF
   Col.  CAF  NRA  TSRA   BOA  Dooley Gang  BOPP  ROWSS  Scarlet Mask Vigilance Society Great Lakes Freight and Mining Company  Cow Cracker Cavalry   Berger Sharpshooters "I had no Irons in the Fire". "Are you gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie"?

Leo Tanner

#690
September 14, 2009, 04:04:57 PM
Sounds like yer dream job.  Heck, it sounds like my dream job.
"When you have to shoot, shoot.  Don't talk."
     Tuco--The Good the Bad and the Ugly

"First comes smiles, then lies.  Last is gunfire."
     Roland Deschain

"Every man steps in the manure now an again, trick is not ta stick yer foot in yer mouth afterward"

religio SENIOR est exordium of scientia : tamen fossor contemno sapientia quod instruction.

Texas Lawdog

#691
September 14, 2009, 04:26:53 PM
Leo, There's only one problem, No Salary!  The CAF in involved in a major overhaul on "FIFI", so she may not fly in the AirSho in Midland this year. It's the same weekend as the Grand Muster in Nebraska and I had already committed to that.  The B24 that used to be named "Diamond Lil" has been redone and repainted OD and renamed "Ol 927". It is supposed to be hangared at Addison. It's gonna be neat just to see what all they do have over there. It's been at least 10 years since I have toured the Museum.
SASS#47185  RO I   ROII       NCOWS#2244  NCOWS Life #186  BOLD#393 GAF#318 SCORRS#1 SBSS#1485  WASA#666  RATS#111  BOSS#155  Storm#241 Henry 1860#92 W3G#1000  Warthog AZSA #28  American Plainsmen Society #69  Masonic Cowboy Shootist  Hiram's Rangers#18  FOP  Lt. Col  Grand Army of The Frontier, Life Member CAF
   Col.  CAF  NRA  TSRA   BOA  Dooley Gang  BOPP  ROWSS  Scarlet Mask Vigilance Society Great Lakes Freight and Mining Company  Cow Cracker Cavalry   Berger Sharpshooters "I had no Irons in the Fire". "Are you gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie"?

Leo Tanner

#692
September 14, 2009, 05:02:26 PM
She'll always be Diamond Lil ta me.  Kinda makes me sad they changed her.

"When you have to shoot, shoot.  Don't talk."
     Tuco--The Good the Bad and the Ugly

"First comes smiles, then lies.  Last is gunfire."
     Roland Deschain

"Every man steps in the manure now an again, trick is not ta stick yer foot in yer mouth afterward"

religio SENIOR est exordium of scientia : tamen fossor contemno sapientia quod instruction.

Texas Lawdog

#693
September 15, 2009, 09:14:05 AM
Leo, It's a shame that the Nose Art for "Diamond Lil" is lost.
SASS#47185  RO I   ROII       NCOWS#2244  NCOWS Life #186  BOLD#393 GAF#318 SCORRS#1 SBSS#1485  WASA#666  RATS#111  BOSS#155  Storm#241 Henry 1860#92 W3G#1000  Warthog AZSA #28  American Plainsmen Society #69  Masonic Cowboy Shootist  Hiram's Rangers#18  FOP  Lt. Col  Grand Army of The Frontier, Life Member CAF
   Col.  CAF  NRA  TSRA   BOA  Dooley Gang  BOPP  ROWSS  Scarlet Mask Vigilance Society Great Lakes Freight and Mining Company  Cow Cracker Cavalry   Berger Sharpshooters "I had no Irons in the Fire". "Are you gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie"?

Steel Horse Bailey

#694
September 15, 2009, 09:15:07 PM
Probably not "PC" any more.  Too riske'.  Gotta protect the children, ya know. ::)
"May Your Powder always be Dry and Black; Your Smoke always White; and Your Flames Always Light the Way to Eternal Shooting Fulfillment !"

Texas Lawdog

#695
September 16, 2009, 06:54:03 AM
There were a lot of talented artists among the ground crews and flight crews. Women were always in short supply and the guys were homesick. The Nose Art was a piece of home. The CAF has a large collection of preserved Nose Art, salvage crews cut out the Nose Art from the aircraft before the planes were destroyed. The pieces are hanging in one of hangars for visitors to view.
SASS#47185  RO I   ROII       NCOWS#2244  NCOWS Life #186  BOLD#393 GAF#318 SCORRS#1 SBSS#1485  WASA#666  RATS#111  BOSS#155  Storm#241 Henry 1860#92 W3G#1000  Warthog AZSA #28  American Plainsmen Society #69  Masonic Cowboy Shootist  Hiram's Rangers#18  FOP  Lt. Col  Grand Army of The Frontier, Life Member CAF
   Col.  CAF  NRA  TSRA   BOA  Dooley Gang  BOPP  ROWSS  Scarlet Mask Vigilance Society Great Lakes Freight and Mining Company  Cow Cracker Cavalry   Berger Sharpshooters "I had no Irons in the Fire". "Are you gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie"?

Leo Tanner

#696
September 16, 2009, 02:07:08 PM
If ya look, some a them were a lot more risque than ya'd think.  The guys had ta put mud over certain body parts if they were headed to a particular airfield.  You don't see many pictures of the nude nose art but it was there.  Like Tex said, it was a piece of home, something ta remind ya what ya were fightin for and it also gave the plane a living personality like some of us do with cars and motorcycles.  "Old 927" aint much of a personality.
"When you have to shoot, shoot.  Don't talk."
     Tuco--The Good the Bad and the Ugly

"First comes smiles, then lies.  Last is gunfire."
     Roland Deschain

"Every man steps in the manure now an again, trick is not ta stick yer foot in yer mouth afterward"

religio SENIOR est exordium of scientia : tamen fossor contemno sapientia quod instruction.

Texas Lawdog

#697
September 16, 2009, 02:31:30 PM
Leo, I did a little research on Ol 927, It is the only surviving B24A in existence. It was the 25th B24A built. She was built in May.1941 in San Diego. It never saw actual combat, serving as a transport for the AAC and Factory employees.  The CAF purchased it in 69 and they painted the desert color in 71.
SASS#47185  RO I   ROII       NCOWS#2244  NCOWS Life #186  BOLD#393 GAF#318 SCORRS#1 SBSS#1485  WASA#666  RATS#111  BOSS#155  Storm#241 Henry 1860#92 W3G#1000  Warthog AZSA #28  American Plainsmen Society #69  Masonic Cowboy Shootist  Hiram's Rangers#18  FOP  Lt. Col  Grand Army of The Frontier, Life Member CAF
   Col.  CAF  NRA  TSRA   BOA  Dooley Gang  BOPP  ROWSS  Scarlet Mask Vigilance Society Great Lakes Freight and Mining Company  Cow Cracker Cavalry   Berger Sharpshooters "I had no Irons in the Fire". "Are you gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie"?

Leo Tanner

#698
September 16, 2009, 03:05:55 PM
Thanks fer the info Tex.  I did find it inneresting that it was painted that color when most bombers over North Africa were B17's.  The 25 is usualy associated with other areas of combat.  I'm sure you know much more than I do, but it did strike me odd the first time I saw it.
"When you have to shoot, shoot.  Don't talk."
     Tuco--The Good the Bad and the Ugly

"First comes smiles, then lies.  Last is gunfire."
     Roland Deschain

"Every man steps in the manure now an again, trick is not ta stick yer foot in yer mouth afterward"

religio SENIOR est exordium of scientia : tamen fossor contemno sapientia quod instruction.

Four-Eyed Buck

#699
September 16, 2009, 03:11:48 PM
There were several squadron of 24's based out of Benghazi(SP?). The Snow White Squadron was the most famous of them. Participated in the Ploesti Raid. Had planes named after the 7 dwarfs, etc., IE: Grumpy, Sleepy. Part of the 15th, IIRC........Buck 8) ::)
I might be slow, but I'm mostly accurate.....
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