MYTH BUSTED!!

[Paladin UK]

I decided ta do a little `speriment on Sunday after our Action Shoot.
I brought my #92 along with 84 rds of ffg behind DDs ROA, and this pards is what happened!!


I decided that I would have a good old `Blat` with my 45 and see how she faired usin FFG. And I`ve gotta tell ya`ll She did great!! Was as slick as snot!! even after 84 rds!!


Ned thought it would be a good idea to help me in my quest!! He is Jest Toooooo Kind!!


I think that these piccies Prove that FFG in a 45LC WORKS, The only thing I did was neck-annealed the magtech cases, and once that's done(It took about one hr ta do 100 cases), its business as normal,fer as long as the cases last!!


As ya can see there is next ta NO build up of Crud!! As I have been known ta say in the past....... Bloody Brill!!




This is how the rifle looked as I opened it on arriving home, the ONLY thing I did at the range was a WD40 swabbed patch up the barrel, and a dowse of WD inta the action. At the time I took these piccies I HAD NOT started to clean it


Again there is NO visible signs of excess `CRUD` And these are Honest piccies pards, AS ol JCs my witness I aint doctored these AT ALL!! ..

MYTH BUSTED!!!
Paladin (What Lurvs his #92 in 45LC  ) UK

[Dick Dastardly]

Howdy PUK,

Pard, you dun me proud.  Yes, that boolit does work great in tube magazine rifles.  Now, you gone and let the cat out of the bag.  How am I going to sell the more traditional BPCR molds like the PRS and J/P???

The DD/ROA has small barring surfaces.  It was engineered for C&B pistols.  For reasons I can't explain, it is a very accurate bullet when loaded in 45 Colt brass and shot from rifles.  Who would have thought???  I expect that if it were loaded up to very high pressures with heathen fad smokeyless powders that those very narrow driving bands might pass gas.  Fart.  Erode. . .

But, at SASS loading with Holy black you have proven that the DD/PRS 45-210 RN bullet can and does give good downrange performance.  One bullet, many missions.  The earmarks of a sound design.

Thanks for your work!

DD-DLoS

[Adirondack Jack]

DD ole pard.  ya don't need that much bearing surface if ya have enough span between the driving bands like yer BIG LUBE bullets all do.

[Sespe Badger]

Howdy PUK,

Pard, you dun me proud.  Yes, that boolit does work great in tube magazine rifles.  Now, you gone and let the cat out of the bag.  How am I going to sell the more traditional BPCR molds like the PRS and J/P???

The DD/ROA has small barring surfaces.  It was engineered for C&B pistols.  For reasons I can't explain, it is a very accurate bullet when loaded in 45 Colt brass and shot from rifles.  Who would have thought???  I expect that if it were loaded up to very high pressures with heathen fad smokeyless powders that those very narrow driving bands might pass gas.  Fart.  Erode. . .

But, at SASS loading with Holy black you have proven that the DD/PRS 45-210 RN bullet can and does give good downrange performance.  One bullet, many missions.  The earmarks of a sound design.

Thanks for your work!

DD-DLoS

Now Dick.

Why didn't you tell me this when I ordered the PRS 250 RNFP? 

Now I'm no longer happy with my mold.  I'm no longer happy that I've fired close to 600 rounds just through my Marlin alone, without a single hitch.  Now I just gotta have the better bullet mold.  My 250 is no longer good enough.

In all seriousness, I have never had a problem shooting true BP rounds through my Marlin.  It has never jammed up.  The most I shot at one time was 6 stages without cleaning (on two-day matches I do clean the barrel and any visible crud overnight).  I did suffer the 'dreaded Marlin jam' at the last match, but I don't think you can blame BP for that. 

Um, what is this 'annealing' thing?  Is this something I am supposed to have done to my brass?

[Rusty Spurless]

Um, what is this 'annealing' thing?  Is this something I am supposed to have done to my brass?

What I do is put my cases in a tray standing up. I then fill the tray with water till its about 3/8" from the case mouth.

Next take a propane torch & heat all the case mouths till you see the 1st hint of a glow & then go on to the next & allow the cases to air cool.

This softens the brass around the neck which will reduce blow back. Will keep yer action & brass much cleaner.

[Dick Dastardly]

Even though it didn't start out that way, there are now Four Big Lube™ pistol caliber bullets that shoot well out of Cowboy Action rifles.  The PRS 250 grain RNFP was first, brought to us by Pigeon Roost Slim.  Next came the J/P 45-200 from pards Driftwood Johnson and Wild Bill Peterson.  After that, I took the LEE conical profile and added a true Big Lube™ groove (that's the one PUK tested for this thread).  It's called the DD/ROA 210 RN, so named because it was intended for the Ruger Old Army guns specifically.  Last, there's the bullet designed by the late great El Paso Pete, the EPP-UG button nose 150 grain round ball emulator.

Now, all Four have been tested and proven in 45 Cal Cowboy rifles in brass as long as 45-70 (with the PRS) down to the new Cowboy 45 Special.  So, pick your pill.  There's true Big Lube™ 45 Caliber steel varmint medicine for everybody.

DD-DLoS

[Paladin UK]

Quote from: Sespe Badger on Yesterday at 20:54:04

Um, what is this 'annealing' thing?  Is this something I am supposed to have done to my brass?

Rusty says.........

What I do is put my cases in a tray standing up. I then fill the tray with water till its about 3/8" from the case mouth.

Next take a propane torch & heat all the case mouths till you see the 1st hint of a glow & then go on to the next & allow the cases to air cool.

This softens the brass around the neck which will reduce blow back. Will keep yer action & brass much cleaner.

My method is...... I hold the case (I use Magtech as they have a band which gives me a positive bit to warm), with pliers on the band and heat the bit that shows `till it changes to a bluish colour then drop it in water (Always keep the water from when I defrost the freezer). The neck is then quite soft and expands Jest great!!, the only bit ya gotta be careful with is when ya de-prime as iffn the case aint square it will squash Very easily! But after a few ya get a `feel` and then yer cookin!!

Paladin (Whats Reel pleased with is `speriment ) UK

[springfield]

There's also the 160 grain 45Slim SWC.

[Rusty Spurless]

Quote from: Sespe Badger on Yesterday at 20:54:04
till it changes to a bluish colour then drop it in water

That's odd... Dropping it in water cools the metal quickly & should set a temper to it (make it hard). Granted you aren't getting it hot enough to completely eliminate the existing temper so maybe that's why it works for ya? ::shrug::

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

Rusty;  Copper and some of its alloys SOFTEN when quenched after heating.

This guy goes a bit overboard, IMHO, but take a look.

http://www.6mmbr.com/annealing.html

[Rusty Spurless]

Great read thanks!

Another myth busted 

Yeah that guy is way over the top but I did learn to stick with my method. I will just tip them over from now on.

Much obliged!

[Mason Stillwell]

I got great results with my PRS 250 gr Big lube 45 Cal Boolit and a really good crimp on the case.
I load er up  with FFG,Seat the Boolit , Put on a good firm crimp and Let er FLY> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shoots in my guns all day long.

My $0.02 Worth , Yer Millage might vary.


Mason

I get enough expansion of the case to seal out the blow back and also have one deadly accurate round.

[Wills Point Pete]

 The PRS boolit needs no annealing with a full charge of BP. Lighter bullets may need annealing. I use the 250 grain PRS because the full weight bullets hit to point of aim in my fixed sight Colt clones.
You can anneal brass much faster with a lead furnace simply set the pot temperature at 760 degrees F. Now dunk the casemouths in any kind of oil and dip them in the pot. Watch for that slight blue shift in the color and then dump them in a bucket of cold water. I can do normal rifle cases by hand. The shorter pistol cases need pliers unless one has really thick callouses.  The oil keeps lead from sticking to the cases.

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Yeah, the idea is to get the case mouths as soft as practical.  That way, the case metal expands better to seal the weapon from the evils ( ) of shooting BP.

[Paladin UK]

  My Oh My!!

What an innerestin thread this is turnin inta!!

Paladin (What aint got..  really thick callouses.... `n` so uses girly pliers!!  ) UK

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

Yeah!  I use "slip"-joint pliers.   Pink & frilly.

[Dr. Bob]

Sir Charles,

I think that was way TOO MUCH information there!