45 colt taylors top break

[Brett Dixon]

Can anyone give me a figure on how hot a load can be for a top break from taylors in 45 colt, I know they are a little less than the standard cowboy revolver but cant really nail it down to a number.

Thanks Brett.

[Flint]

Where did "A little less than a standard cowboy revolver" come from?  Every one I know shooting Schofields in 45, or 44-40 uses the same ammo they use in a SAA.

If the Uberti made S&W required a reduced load, that disclaimer would come with the pistol.

They are designed for factory 45 Colt ammo, not reloads of lower power.

[Brett Dixon]

Ok, I meant not as hot as perhaps a peacemaker type frame or other style revolver, sorry about that.  I was under the impression that the top break will not stand up to a hotter load such as a hand load at higher velocity.  Kind of felt like I got scolded there?

My apologies, Brett.

[St. George]

As has been mentioned - the weapon is built to handle any factory-standard load for both .45 Colt and .45 S&W.

These weapons will be reliable and safe so long as you keep within SAAMI specifications, but should you decide to exceed those, and whatever Warranty you may have had is null and void, should there be a catastrophic failure of any component.

Said 'catastrophic failure' may also include some previously valued part of your anatomy, so for Safety's sake - buy factory ammunition, or load up to it and enjoy...

Vaya,

Scouts Out!

[Flint]

Didn't intend to scold, sorry you felt so.

The topbreak Uberti (to differentiate from the old defunct ASM) was redesigned from the S&W to have a stronger, thicker topstrap and heavier hinges, it is quite stronger than the S&W.  They can shoot open if the latch is not seated correctly upon reassembly.  So far, in competition, they seem to hold up, with the exception of some springs, but we expect that from Italy.

They are not meant for the loads listed for "Rugers only, or Thompson Contenders"  Neither are the Colt SAA, real or clone.  The Uberti is as strong with standard factory loads as the SAA, but is not rated for +P.

In any case, many shooters load the revolver with 45 S&W ammo, both for the smaller case capacity and reduced recoil, as well as authenticity.  Now, if Uberti would shorten the cylinder (extending the gas ring) and chamber the Schofield round, perhaps they would perform better with black powder.

[Deadeye Don]

Brett,   No worries.  We are all here to learn.  Your question was a good one.  I glad you were able to get the information you needed.  I have two Uberti Schofelds and shoot 45 ciolt factory loads in one and 44-40 factory loads in the other.  I have not had any problems at all.    You just need to avoid black powder loads unless you plan to clean them up after each stage.   

Regards,  Deadeye.

[Jrw8214]

I asked St. George a similiar question awhile back and he promptly answered telling me pretty much the same that he told you.

I am however wondering what SAAMI specs are? I dont know what that means.

Also i noticed Magtech has a factory load of .44-40 that has a velocity of 1180 fps. Its not a 'cowboy' load, but its not a hot load or '+P' load either. Can the Uberti Schofield handle it?

Im not an active participant in competitions so keeping within CAS rules isnt a concern. Im mainly curious about this ammo because i prefer shooting .44-40 and .45 Colt ammo thats more like the original loads powerwise, as opposed to the weaker 'tamed down' cowboy loads.

[St. George]

SAAMI = the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturer's Institute - www.saami.org

The primary work of SAAMI is done by its Technical Committee in the setting of industry standards.

Product standards for firearms and ammunition are developed by two Product Standards Task Forces, one for ammunition and one for firearms.

Recommendations of the task forces are submitted for review by the entire Technical Committee.

The Technical Commmittee works with the Commission Internationale Permanente (CIP), an international association of proof houses.

By working together, the CIP and SAAMI are working towards the development of internationaly recognized standards.

The SAAMI Technical committee frequently provides technical information to legislative and regulatory bodies across the US and around the world.

There 'is' a difference between 'Cowboy Loads' and standard 'Factory Loads', since the former are loaded to lower pressures in order to be safely fired in a wide variety of old weapons of various conditions, as are often seen in C&WAS.

Vaya,

Scouts Out

[Jrw8214]

But a Uberti Schofield can infact handle the Magtech standard factory load?

[St. George]

See Flint's post above...

Vaya,

Scouts Out!

[Jrw8214]

Well since the load im asking about appears to be 'Factory Standard' i'll take that as a yes, a uberti schofield can handle it.

Thanks St. George

[St. George]

De Nada.

Remember - inserting 'Mag' into a product is an advertising tool designed to infer a level of 'greatness' .

Mag-Tech makes a very good standard round and makes it to SAAMI standard - as do a number of ammunition manufacturers.

With today's metallurgy being stronger than that of days gone by - a 'standard' load is reasonable to produce, so as to satisfy all the new weapons being built.

A 'Cowboy Load' will no doubt be a lighter load to shoot many, many of during a match, whereas a full-patch load can get somewhat tedious after a long shooting session.

Good Luck!

Vaya,

Scouts Out!

[Virginia Gentleman]

Bottom line they can handle shooting any STANDARD .45 Colt load that is SAAMI spec.  Ruger/TC loads are a HUGE NO NO!  Otherwise you can shoot the Cowboy or Standard loads.  It will perform best with 200-255 grain bullets.

[kcub]

Didn't intend to scold, sorry you felt so.

The topbreak Uberti (to differentiate from the old defunct ASM) was redesigned from the S&W to have a stronger, thicker topstrap and heavier hinges, it is quite stronger than the S&W.  They can shoot open if the latch is not seated correctly upon reassembly.  So far, in competition, they seem to hold up, with the exception of some springs, but we expect that from Italy.

They are not meant for the loads listed for "Rugers only, or Thompson Contenders"  Neither are the Colt SAA, real or clone.  The Uberti is as strong with standard factory loads as the SAA, but is not rated for +P.

In any case, many shooters load the revolver with 45 S&W ammo, both for the smaller case capacity and reduced recoil, as well as authenticity.  Now, if Uberti would shorten the cylinder (extending the gas ring) and chamber the Schofield round, perhaps they would perform better with black powder.

Since the S&W 2000 has a shorter cylinder and is chambered for .45 S&W, does it handle black powder better than the Italians?
That is to say, not foul up so quickly as to be avoided.

[St. George]

Read further - this one's been talked about more than a few times and I'm sure there's reloading information regarding .45 Schofield.

The modern Smith & Wesson Schofields were built to handle smokeless and not black - and they handle smokeless beautifully.

Vaya,

Scouts Out!

[Flint]

I have an original S&W Russian, and have had #3's in Russian.  They don't seem to tolerate BP much better than the Italian repros...

Possibly another reason the Army dropped the Schofield.

Flint