Italian Markings

[Bryan Austin]

What does "RAG" mean? Maybe stamped on the bottom of the grip beside the SN#.

[Wolfgang]

Only one I have handy to look at has an  "R" at the start of the serial #.  Hadn't really noticed it before. 

[Long Johns Wolf]

If memory serves RAG is a name of an Italian replica maker. suggest you check with Dr. Davis of RPRCA: www.rprca.tripod.com
Long Johns Wolf

[Bryan Austin]

If memory serves RAG is a name of an Italian replica maker. suggest you check with Dr. Davis of RPRCA: www.rprca.tripod.com
Long Johns Wolf

Yeah, an Italian maker...but who?

Your link does not appear to work....I'll try again later!

Thanks

[Long Johns Wolf]

Google Replica Percussion Revolver Collector's Association.
Long Johns Wolf

[Bryan Austin]

Google Replica Percussion Revolver Collector's Association.
Long Johns Wolf

I emailed him but email came back undeliverable.  What luck I have! 

[Alabama]

It stands for ,

Remington Arms " Groupee "  .

There you go Savvy Jack , and your our biggest one !!!!  Hee hee hee .
It's good to be King of something , were honord to be blessed by your Royalty here on SCORRS .

Im'e allot like you even if you'll never admit it ( and I wouldn't either )  , but when I have to know something , even if its trivial to the world going round , I just have to know so I feel I am at least informed , if not smarter when I go to the my grave . If I keep posting this kind of dribble , my grave may be sooner than later  I wonder if I get to take my gun collection with me ? If not , I aint going !   
I would rather eat Roast Beef sandwiches with HOT horse raddish side by side with my Remingtons in Hell than eat Tuna fish sandwiches on white bread without my Remingtons in Heaven . Truth !

Alabama

[drjldavis]

Savvy Jack, I am sorry I did not receive your emails.  My email address is:  rprca@hotmail.com

I received an mail from Wolf about this topic and thought I might be able to contribute.


RAG is one of the logos used by Rigarmi, Brescia Italy.  They used several different markings depending on who the importer/distributor was.  RPRCA has eight revolvers in its collection.  Below are the markings found on our revolvers.

Schneider & Glassick.......RING GALESA-RIGARMI-BRESCIA  (Left side of barrel)

Schneider & Glassick.......RAG  (Left side of barrel flat in front of cylinder)

1860 Army....................RIGARMI  (Left side of barrel)    RAG  (Left side of barrel flat in front of cylinder)

1851 Navy....................RAG  (Left side of barrel flat in front of cylinder)

Remington Beals Army Model......RIGARMI  (Left side of barrel)

Remington Beals Army Model......RIGARMI  (Left side of barrel)     RAG  (On Butt)

Remington Beals Army Model......RAG  (On Butt)

1860 Army Brass Frame Cut for Shoulder Stock......HAWES FIREARMS CO - LOS ANGELES -- CALIFORNIA (LtSd Barrel) 
RAG(LtSd Barrel Flat)   44 CALIBER ARMY MODEL

Other observed revolvers was an 1860 Army marked the same as ours. 

There was an 1860 Army on auction on Gun Broker that had some other interesting markings.......RIRARMI-MADE IN ITALY  (Left side of barrel)   RAG  (Left side of barrel flat)
1860 ARMY TROOPER   (Top of barrel)   EMF.LA-CAL  (On Butt)

The EMF and the Hawes are the only two thus far observed Importer/Distributor markings on Rigarmi revolvers.  Rigarmi also produced modern firearms as well.

[Bryan Austin]

So true Alabama, so true!!!

Dr Davis thanks so much for taking the time to answer my question. I actually had my eyes on one but if its a good model, I will probably not have enough to get it.  Are they well made? What years? Sorry for more questions....lol

The email I got off your website was drjdavis@excite.com Thanks for the update!

[Bryan Austin]

Oh darn, I forgot. Will an R&D conversion cylinder fit them?

[Bryan Austin]

Too late, I purchased it anyway. $140, we'll see what I get! 

[Bryan Austin]

I got it today and I actually like it. below are some pics. It is actually smaller than my Pietta and its true the cylinders will not interchange. I hate that because now I can not use a conversion cylinder in it. The back of the cylinder, where the arm turns the cylinder, is shaped like a star but straight legs. The Pietta is a star but the legs are at an angle. If anyone wants to trade with a Pietta, or 45 colt conversion cylinder...let me know!





To the right of the sn# is the letters RAG. sn# is 31224

If anyone can give me more info on this, that would be great!

[Wolfgang]

$ 140 for a steel frame pistol in good condition is Ok.  No other markings on it ? . . how about on the underside of the barrel ? . . or on the frame hidden by the grips ?

[Bryan Austin]

Made in Italy on the bottom of the barrel. On the frame behind the grips are the large numbers 114 and small numbers 255. The grips themselves are marked 114. Thats all I see for now. I kinda like this thing. It has an "old" feel to it. Among the typical markings is a square with AC in it. Maybe a date code?

[Bryan Austin]

Remington Beals Army Model......RAG  (On Butt)

Would this make any differents between Pietta and RAG? The frame is a tad smaller and the barrel is about 1/2 shorter.

[Oldelm]

Savy Jack............nice looking Remington. The AC date code puts it at 1977. I like the "winged" brass grip screw retainer on the right side,...like the originals.  Early Navy Arms Remingtons had those. I've bought a few from Val Forgett III.
I also like that figure in the wood grain on  the right side grip.

Take her out and shoot her why don't ya,...that's where the "real feel" comes into play,...aside from all the Italian markings.
How's the chamber/bore alignment?  Front site looks pretty low,....I wonder if she'll shoot high.

Congrats on the good buy!  I hope she shoots good for ya. 

[Bryan Austin]

Would this make any differents between Pietta and RAG? The frame is a tad smaller and the barrel is about 1/2 shorter.

Is the RAG really a replica of the Beals? Is this why it is a little smaller than Pietta's 58"

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Is the RAG really a replica of the Beals? Is this why it is a little smaller than Pietta's 58"

I don't think so, but perhaps.

Pietta's guns are made big (or at least thick in the gripframe area.) 


The originals (44s) were about the size and feel of the Interarms, from what I've heard.  The original 36 cal guns were smaller.  Pietta (I'm not sure about Uberti or any others) makes their 36 cal guns on the same size frame as the 44s.  Because of this, they're actually a tad heavier than the 44s.

[Hoof Hearted]

Too late, I purchased it anyway. $140, we'll see what I get! 

Jack

I noticed that RAG for sale over on the SASS classifieds. Didja sell it yet?
If not I'm willing to take it off yer hands or trade ya outta it.
Let me know via email @

buckoff@alltel.net

[Bryan Austin]

Jack

I noticed that RAG for sale over on the SASS classifieds. Didja sell it yet?
If not I'm willing to take it off yer hands or trade ya outta it.
Let me know via email @

buckoff@alltel.net

Yeah, sold pending funds. I really hate to sell it but this madness has to stop somewhere.... I like it better than my Pietta but I like my 45 Colt conversion cylinder better and it wont fit the RAG. Since I am not allowed to use the quick change method in SASS, I'm gonna just keep the one revolver. October makes 5 months I have not been able to CAS shoot..........bummer