Why doesn't everyone use Rugers?

[Black Powder]

Why should I check the rules?  I believe the club does that just fine; I am confident they know and follow the rules to the letter.  It's not my place to question them or even suggest "Gee, can't we move 'em a little further away to make things more interestin'?"  They're a great group and I'm new, happy to play however it's been set up and help with the clean up too even.  Thanks for the math and conversion rates, btw.  I operate the general store and am learned in numbers, but it can be tricky for some.  Sure is a relief that my depth perception isn't horrible after all.  The pistol targets are close!  I suppose I'd rather haul a target into the shed from 25 feet as opposed to 25 yards at the end of a day.  They're heavy!

Seems consesus is that for historical authenticity, it's not a Ruger, but for reliability and accuracy, it should be.

BP

[Leo Tanner]

Hey,
    At least you participte in the sport BP.  As I said, I never even shot at a match.  I don't have a guy standing next to me with a stopwatch or have a fast paced scenario to work through.  It's just me and some casualy placed water jugs and all the time in the world.  If I miss with the pistol more than once I pick up the Mariln, which isn't even CAS legal bein a .30.30, and send it to it's great reward that way.  The wife calls it cheating, but I'm satisfied when I see that thing fly off the ground
     When I finaly do shoot an official match, I'll have my Ruger, but only because it's become so special to me and I know it won't fail


Leo

[Cyrille]

Why should I check the rules?   I believe the club does that just fine; I am confident they know and follow the rules to the letter.  It's not my place to question them or even suggest "Gee, can't we move 'em a little further away to make things more interestin'?"  They're a great group and I'm new, happy to play however it's been set up and help with the clean up too even.  Thanks for the math and conversion rates, btw.  I operate the general store and am learned in numbers, but it can be tricky for some.  Sure is a relief that my depth perception isn't horrible after all.  The pistol targets are close!  I suppose I'd rather haul a target into the shed from 25 feet as opposed to 25 yards at the end of a day.  They're heavy!

Seems consesus is that for historical authenticity, it's not a Ruger, but for reliability and accuracy, it should be.

BP

That's like asking "Why should I learn to count, to spell, to read? "  You read the rules so that you don't get involved in something blinded and hope others will lead you or show you the way Like Davy Crockett used to say "Be sure you're right, then go ahead!"

[Black Powder]

That's like asking "Why should I learn to count, to spell, to read? " 

Cyrille, that's even more condescending than showing me the conversion factors of feet to yards.   I look up to people assuming they're smarter than I, as opposed to looking down at them assuming they're not.

The rules pertaining to how to stage a match and what the required distances are don't concern me at this point in my participation at all.  What I thought I was making clear for all but apparently the most argumentative and high fallutin' was that the club I attend has complied with all that stuff, of this I have no doubt.  My focus is safety, following the RO's instructions, having fun and being respectful of those that have been at this longer than me from whom I can learn.  I expect to someday give back in kind.  I don't give a darn whether the targets are 21 feet, 30 feet, stated in feet, yards or meters.  I've been in reading and research mode for years and have read enough to satisfy myself that I knew exactly what I was getting involved in, eyes wide open, before I spent a nickel on anything.

The degree to which anybody feels so compelled is entirely their choice before reaching the point at which they decide to go ahead.  Read, listen, filter out the noise and what isn't of interest, then "you pays your money, and you takes your choice."

The topic was why doesn't everyone use Rugers.  Given the relatively short distances that appear to me to be common, my view is that the accuracy benefits of the Ruger should not be the compelling reasons to buy one if one's motivation is historical authenticity.  I'm in this camp; obviously there's plenty of room for others with differing interests and financial abilities for getting involved.

BP

[Cyrille]

You're right of course, at the distances stated accuracy(or hitting that large of a target) should be a moot question. If one cannot hit a 16X16" target @ 21-30 ft. then perhaps one shouldn't be in the "game". But this is suppose to be fun, albeit structered fun, thus the need for rules and one  has to be aware of the rules and not just aware that there are rules.
My personal practice targets, at those distances are usuallly 8X 11" computer printouts, 8" "bullseye" targets or 9" paper plates.
    However if you want to go the authenticy route, by all means go that route and get yourself a Colt, or Colt Clone, there's nothing wrong with that. But I'll stick with my Rugers thank you.

[Mustang Gregg]

That is enough.  PM sent.

[fourfingersofdeath]

I have had three sets of Rugers for cowboy action shooting. I started with a pair of 44Mags, one NMSBH (still have it) and a Vaquero. I then bought a pair of convertible 45 BHs, which I love and still have. My current guns are a pair of New vaqueros in 45. I have big hands and it is funny, but I find the smaller frame of the New Vaqs suits my hand better, I can cycle faster and don't slip the hammer as much. Go figure.

I want to start classic cowboy and also want to have one calibre on the line and shoot BP. I don't fancy the 45 in a rifle with BP, so I have bought a pair of Pietta 4 clicker Clones in 44/40 to go with an 1873 rifle in 44/40. My old 1866 44/40 will be a back up rifle. They have all been slicked up and the Piettas are as slick as frog snot on a round doorknob.

If Rugers were available in 44/40 I would have gone that way.

I love my Rugers, but I really love these clones.

I am going to sell one of the convertibles and the two new model vaqs and buy myself a Colt in 45.

[Leo Tanner]

Our local gunshop has a set of Rugers in 44-40 with a brace.  You'd have ta come ta California and take a test ta get em.  Then ya wait ten days ta take delivery.
     Come on out   I gotta comfy couch an my wife's a great cook.


Leo

[fourfingersofdeath]

Sounds good, we have a Shooters Party in my state's senate. We have managed to get two senators elected ans it looks like we are finally getting a bit of sense out of it all. Once you have a gun in a certain category, eg rimfire rifle, you will not have to wait 28 days to get a permit to buy another one and they are about to up the ante on combat competition so they can buy up to 41 cal, which ain't exactly 45, but heaps better than a 38 cal limit.

Got the Piettas now and surprisingly the Colt size frame seems to suit me, which is surprising seeing I have such big hands.
Thanks for the offer, Mick.

[Leo Tanner]

No problem Mick.
     I have an aunt that lives in NSW.  I been itchin ta go make a visit fer years.  Gettin them pistols on the plane would be the toughest part with regulations an all, but it sure would be fun.


Leo

[Thai Fighter]

I just don't get it - why subject yourself to all the hassels of some of the other guns?  I'm looking at this from a very objective viewpoint b/c I'm not a Ruger nut, never really have been except for my 10/22's.  Just an honest question.

OK Jimmyb, here's my objective answer for you.  Some of us, like myself, are drawn to CAS to get a feel and appreciation for what it was like back then.  Given, I'm not big into costuming per see, but I like the gear to be as representative as possible as to what was used back then. Breakdowns, weaknesses and all.  I'm in the minority, but that's why I'm the guy that waits for Richards Type II in .44 Colt instead of shooting .45 or (like people who are looking for each competitive edge in reliability, accuracy, speed, convenience, etc) .38 spl because of it's lower recoil and faster follow-up times. 

I'm showing up to shoot BP, with as close to what they were shooting in 1873+, and I lean towards NCOWS camp outs ideals instead of driving in to the shoot freshly showered and rested in my '08 Tacoma .  I'm not hating, just what I like.  Just the same as why I shoot an OEM Springfield 1911 in IDPA.  I don't like shooting IPSC, USPSA, etc.  Those space guns aren't representative of what anyone rational is carrying concealed. 

Rugers are mechanically superior to SAAs and their clones.  But no one was carrying coil sprung shooters back then, let alone Rugers.  That's why guys like me don't use Rugers.  I'm not showing up on weekends to win, I'm showing up to have fun, hang with good people, and pretend it's back then.  Back then means no coil springs

[fourfingersofdeath]

Give us a yell if yer coming! I'll give the 44/40s at your local gunshop a miss and kick on with the clones for awhile.

The 38 calibre limit doesn't apply for cowboy shooting and silouette in this state (mind you, you have to get a special permit for the bigger calibre stuff). They are going to up the ante to 41 cal without a special permit. If I'd know that was coming I might have converted to 38/40s.

The 38 Supers are real popular, if the law changes, there will be a lot of 38 Supers for sale. I think I needs me one of those Army Green GeeLocks in 40S&W to play with.
Mick.

[Black Powder]

TF, that pretty much says it for me and the historical motivation.  But there's just one thing...

...NCOWS camp outs ideals instead of driving in to the shoot freshly showered...

I read that Charlie Utter insisted on bathing daily.  Is an article in Wikipedia sufficient documentation to petition the governors to recognize that bathing daily, though unusual, is historically documented?  If so, do us all afavor, TF... 

4FoD, sounds like you're restricted in ways that I pretty much assume are OK where I live.    Seems odd...

BP

[Thai Fighter]

BP,

I'm pretty easy on the senses   My wife says I'm the only man she's ever known that doesn't have B.O.  So all you're going to get is a waft of these fresh smokey camp fire goodness, just like my son's scout troop does!

Wow!  4FoD, those limitations make my head spin!  What state is that?

[Skinny Preacher 66418]

If Ruger made a 1875 Remington clone...i'd shoot it. Otherwise, they don't have anything that intestests me. '51, '58, '60, 75...

[Cyrille]

I may be mistaken, however I believe Ruger makes Rugers, not clones of other manufacters products although IMHO They came mighty close with the NV, which, by the bye I refuse to buy!