45scofields in a 45colt?

[Galloway]

Does anyone know if 45S&W's will work with a 200gr bullet in a stock 45colt henry replica? Thanks

[Ransom Gaer]

Galloway,

I use 200 grain .45 Schofields in my Henry and '66 all the time.  My carrier is completely stock.  OAL is a concern.  I use full case BP and seat at the bullet groove.  That works.  I also have heard that bullets smaller than 200 grains can have some issues and require modifying the carrier.  For what it's worth.

I shoot the .45 Schofield because I was trying to get close to the .44 Henry Rimfire.  I think I am close, but I need a chrony to prove.

Ransom Gaer

[Coffinmaker]

The .45 Schofield round will cycle thru most of the Toggle Link rifles (Henry, 66, 73) with out modification.  The absolulte shortest bullet acceptable without modifying the Carrier Block is a 200gr RNFP.  Anything shorter will jam.
The Schofield case rim is about 10thou total larger in diameter than a .45 Colt round and there may be a little "sticking" with the extractor.  It the rifle will not close up on the Schofield round when cycled LIGHTLY, you may have to relieve the hook on the extractor just a tad and you may have to cut the slot in the extractor a tad deeper with a very small file.  Most out of the box .45 Uberti rifles will run the Schofield case un-modified.

Coffinmaker

[sundance44`s]

I`ve just about got all the good out of my 45 colt brass , and would like to start over with 45 Schofield now that I know it will work in my Henry ...nice touch , it would look a little more period correct . Can those that are reloading tell me if my Lee 45 Colt dies will work ??  or what dies are you useing  ? 45 ACP ?
I was thinking about those little 45 specials ..but it would take a converted carrier in the rifle to use those .
I do see a Uberti Schofield in my future .

[Ransom Gaer]

Don't know if your Lee dies will work or not.  I tried to get my RCBS .45 Colt dies to work and couldn't.  Ended up buying a Lyman .45 SChofield die set to reload my Schofields.

Ransom Gaer

[Nine Toe Jim]

I've been using a set of Dillon 45 ACP dies and they work fine with my 4X4 RCBS press. I've set the dies so I have a slight taper crimp.

[Ottawa Creek Bill]

To get close to the Henry cartridge you need to use a .44 cal. case and a .45 heeled bullet, anything else is not close.
I use a .44 colt with a .45 heeled bullet. Historically its about as close as you can get not being a rim fire cartridge as the original Henry's were.

Yes I did reline the chamber from .45 long colt to .44 with a .44 cal. sleeve. It works flawlessly. If you do a search here on the Henry forum you'll find we talked about this quite extensively last year.

Bill

[Capt. Augustus]

Sundance, The .45 LC dies won't work for the .45 Schofield.  I don't know what press you are using, but the shell plate is different for the Loadmaster.  The powder through die won't trip the powder or bell the case.  I'm not sure about the bullet seating die.  The sizing die does work along with the FC die.

[sundance44`s]

Guess I`ll have to buy a bag of Schofiels brass and give it a try ...I`m loading with a Lee Turret press and I never use the auto loading aspects of it ..I use a 4 hole plate and set of carbide dies ..I was hopeing I could use these same dies to load the Schofield rounds ....
I know they won`t be really period correct ..but at least they will have the powder charge of the older 44 Rem . rimfire shells ..I shoot alot of blackpowder and don`t like useing fillers and won`t use fillers ...so I`ve been useing puffy powder ( APP ) I would rather go back to loading real black powder , and with the shorter Schofield brass I could stuff them full and not pound my hand and pistols so much , after all we aren`t hunting Buffalo ..LOL 

[Capt. Augustus]

You'll need a size 14 shell holder due to the bigger rim, best part is that it will work with .45 LC also.

[sundance44`s]

Thanks Capt ...good to see ya , been awhile .  I have it made then , I have the shell holder kit with a size 14 in it ..I was wanting nickel plated cases , but every where I`ve checked are out of them right now ...Don`t know if I`ll hold out or go ahead and buy the brass ones .

[Capt. Augustus]

I don't know about Schofield cases, but nickled .45 LC cases seem to have a short life.  They tend to get neck splits.

[Major 2]

The .45 Schofield round will cycle thru most of the Toggle Link rifles (Henry, 66, 73) with out modification.  The absolulte shortest bullet acceptable without modifying the Carrier Block is a 200gr RNFP.  Anything shorter will jam.
The Schofield case rim is about 10thou total larger in diameter than a .45 Colt round and there may be a little "sticking" with the extractor.  It the rifle will not close up on the Schofield round when cycled LIGHTLY, you may have to relieve the hook on the extractor just a tad and you may have to cut the slot in the extractor a tad deeper with a very small file.  Most out of the box .45 Uberti rifles will run the Schofield case un-modified.

Coffinmaker

Now you tell me    I sold my OT because it was the odd caliber out....It has been replace though with a R&M in my caliber of choice.

[sundance44`s]

Thanks for the tip on the nickel plated brass // everyone is out of stock on them I tried ...I`ll order the brass ones from Midway ..they have a good price on 500 and in stock ...I`ll give a report on how they do in my Henry after I get some loaded up ...I always use 250 gr bullets ..so the OAL shouldn`t be a problem , from what I`ve read here . Getting older and looking forward to a lighter punch without fillers .

[sundance44`s]

Well I recieved my Schofield brass from Midway ..no doubt it`s going to be fine in my Remmie conversion cylinders and the Henry Rifle to boot ...After a close look at the brass I decided to order the Lee carbide Schofield dies too from Midway ..about the price of a box of store bought bullets 25 bucks ... This is going to be just what I was looking for ...Thanks Guys

[sundance44`s]

OK everything I ordered made it home ..I was able to use my Lee crimp die I had for the 45 LC ..just took some adjustment .
Loaded up a batch with 25grs of goex topped off with my 255 gr cast bullets ...they worked flawless much milder punch just what I was looking for ...thanks guys .

[Ransom Gaer]

Yea I like the .45 Schofield in both my 1866 and my Henry.  Nice round.  Glad they are to your liking.

Ransom Gaer

[Tuolumne Lawman]

Howdy,

I always use .45 Schofield cases in my Henry.  I duplicate the original .44 Henry load (200 grain .442 bullet with 28 grains BP) with a 200 grain .452 bullet and 28 grains BP or 25 grains 777.  It ups the capacity to 14.  If you load 180s, you can get 15, but some ramps on followers are too short and need re-beveled.

It is about as close as the .44 Henry center fire, healed re-chambering that is really cool, but cost $$$$$$! (though I admit that would be cool).

[Ransom Gaer]

Tuolumne Lawman,

I went the .45 Schofield route to duplicate the .44 Henry balistically because I didn't want to spend the money to have someone modify the barrel and chamber and I don't have the facilities to do it myself.  And I figure it's close enough.  Although that conversion that Ottawa Creek Bill did is cool.

Ransom Gaer

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Well, I'll add to any corn-fusion.  I have an 1866 and an 1892 Winchester (Uberti Clone and Rossi) rifle.

NEITHER will chamber the 45 S&W (Schofield) round because of the rim size differences.


Pistols were OK, but there ARE pistols (revolvers) that won't allow the use of the 45 S&W round; again due to the rim diameter and some have rim thickness issues, too - IF I remember right.