Old West Photos with Supporting Text, Part 2

[Two Flints]

Hello Ncows,

Thought I'd share a few more Old West Photos.  Two Flints

Military Scout Junction City, (Fort Riley) Kansas ca 1890s. Photograph of armed military (Army) scout. Man standing and posing for photographer studio Ramsour & Pennel. He is wearing a wide brim hat, gauntlets, knee high boots, ammo belt with shot gun shells and a holstered gun.

Cabinet Card Photograph of Two Men with guns ca 1880s - This cabinet card with the only identification "Isola" has no photographer. There are three men, one sitting on horse the other two have guns. Man on left has holstered pistol with gun belt and Winchester rifle. The man on right has a holster on and what appears to be Ivory handled pistol stuck in the belt, and also holding double barrel shotgun.


Cabinet Card Photograph of "Mountain Panther" Warm Spring Indian Chief ca 1890s - This Warm Springs Indian is holding a Stevens octagon barrel rifle, dressed in his elaborate costume, with pipe bag & fringed outfit. The photograph was taken in G. V. Fry studio of Bucyrus, Ohio. Some one has in high-lighted his eye pupils.


Cabinet Card Photograph of Two Cowboys Wearing Black Wooly Chaps ca 1890s - Unknown photographer has taken a photograph of two young cowboys in his studio; they are wearing cowboy hats, boots, shirts and great wooly chaps.


Cabinet Card Photograph Scout/Cowboy "Wild Burt" ca 1880s - Great outdoor photograph of this Scout/Cowboy with his leather chaps, super large brim hat, kerchief, and long  gun.


Photograph of Armed Sioux Scouts in Camp by F. Jay Haynes ca 1880s - Very nice stereoview of seven armed Sioux Indian scouts and two white men among them. They all appear to be holding percussion rifles in front of teepee. Photographed and published by F. Jay Haines Fargo, Dakota Territory.


Cabinet Card Photograph Great Armed Cowboy with Holster ca 1890s - Very nice studio cabinet card taken at Ball & Sons Seattle, Washington. Depicts a full dressed cowboy with holstered pistol (you can see barrel at end of holster), cartridge belt, fringed pants, cowboy shirt and great cowboy hat.


Cabinet Card Photograph Armed Wild West Cowboy Arizona ca 1890s - Great Arizona Territory cabinet card photograph of Wild West Cowboy standing in Williams Gallery Safford, Arizona. This young cowboy has a great cowboy hat, kerchief, very nice leathered holster with colt pistol, fringed chaps, cowboy boots and rope. A great photograph of real cowboy from the old  west.

[Ten Wolves Fiveshooter]

Howdy Two Flints

         I thought I had a pretty good collection of old pictures , but you're blowing me away with these, and again THANKS FOR SHARING,



                                                                   tEN wOLVES

[Dr. Bob]

Note that the young cowboy in the dark woolly chaps on the right has pants with belt loops and a belt.  Late 1890's at the earliest!

[Pitspitr]

Note that the young cowboy in the dark woolly chaps on the right has pants with belt loops and a belt.  Late 1890's at the earliest!

Yep, and the basket weave stamping on the top of the chaps puts it very close to the turn of the century.

[Silver Creek Slim]

Very nice pictures, pard.

Slim

[Johnny McCrae]

Howdy Two Flints,

Those are some great pictures!  Many thanks for sharing this with us.

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Thanks for posting these, Dos Flints!

Those woolies (to me) are too much!


As I was a resident and homeowner (for a while) of Junction City, I found the scout photo a little "extra" interesting - 'tho I'm not sure why.  But he looks great.  I also found it interesting that the shotgun shells in his belt are upside down.  That COULD be because they are a bit more accessible for speedy loading.  Either that, or the studio's prop belt got put on upside down.    HOWEVER ... it looks like he's wearing his OWN outfit, IMHO.  I go with the upside-down for faster loading theory. 

[Pitspitr]

We were getting ready to do a firing ceremony at Ft. Hartsuff one time and were just about to march when one of my men pointed out that I had put my cartridges in my prairie belt upside down and consequently had put my belt on upside down. We were already late, and I decided to go out as is since "none of the tourists would be close enough to see my belt plate  and no one will notice anyway."
A couple of weeks later I got a call from a photographer from NEBRASKAland magazine asking if I wanted to have him digitaly turn the belt plate over before he put this picture in the magazine.  boy was I embarassed.

[Will Blastem]

WOW ...Those are GREAT photos. Thanks for sharing!!!

[French Jack]

SHB-- those shells may NOT be upside down.  I suspect what you see is the edge of the case mouth shining, as those are brass cases, and they may even have a slight crimp to hold the overshot card in place.  I would love to have an opportunity to examine the original wiith a magnifying glass to see.

[Two Flints]

French Jack,

Sorry, this is the best I can do with this old photo.

Two Flints

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Thanks for the blow-up, 2 Flints.

French Jack, I know what you mean, but I still think they're upside down.  And I do agree, I saw they were brass the first time I looked at them, I just didn't say.  That shiny bit on top looks a bit like the rim, but several on the bottom really look like a rim, not just shine.

I don't see any particular belt loops, but is that a pants belt? 

[French Jack]

SHB-- the belt may be on upside down, but I still think that the shells would not be deliberately be worn upside down.  There was no elastic in those web belts, and the shells would have been likely to fall out if not put in so that the rim would keep them from falling through.  I see nothing to indicate a belt loop. 

The shoulder strap is either attached to the leather belt or the web belt, probably the web belt, looking at the lines of the top edge.

Of course, with a photo as grainy as that, it is difficult to do more than speculate.

[Two Flints]

One more time,

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Again, 2 Flints - thanks.

They're upside down.      To me. 

FJ, if the webbing is as tight as the belt I have they'd quite easily hang upside down without slipping out.  (BUT I wouldn't trust them to stay that way during rough handling/running/riding a horse, etc.)

The belt loops I was referring to - NOT seeing - would be for the pants, but, like I mentioned, I don't see any.  Yep I too think that the shoulder strap is on the web belt - you can see where it pulls up on the top where it's attached. 


I've tried having shells upside down and for competition, it can be used, but NOT for regular carry - at least not for me.  As tight as even MY loops are, I wouldn't trust them to stay secure for normal carry.  Somehow, he doesn't look like the typical "competitor." 


I sure admire that shotgun he's leaning on!


PS - I talked to that fellow about that '94 Angle Eject.  He seemed not too bothered about the rule, and might change rifles for NCOWS use.  Thanks for bringing it to my attention.  He understands the reasoning - I was a "diplomatic" as possible and explained rather than "complained."  That type of approach works better.

[French Jack]

SHB-- like I said, being a guest, no problem.  Even a new member needing time to get his stuff together- no problem.  Monthly shoots- no problem.  Regional or National Shoots--- problem.  Glad we got it straightened out.

[Tired Eyes]

Thanks for the good looking pictures. Gives me some ideas for my character..

[Gun Creek Phil]

Thanks for these very interesting pics. 
I would like to have more informations about the military scout photo with the shotgun.I though military scouts could have different weapons such as Spencers or Sharps carbines.Could this shotgun be given to scouts as short range combat weapon or only for hunting purpose ? An other idea, or question, is it possible this man has taken his own shotgun before enlisting?
Thanks for your answers.

[RRio]

A couple of weeks later I got a call from a photographer from NEBRASKAland magazine asking if I wanted to have him digitaly turn the belt plate over before he put this picture in the magazine.  boy was I embarassed.

Like this?

[Pitspitr]

Like this?

Hi Rawhide
Yep that's the way it appeared in the magazine. Did you turn it over or did you find it on the net somewhere?