Old Pics

[Henry4440]

I love these old pics.
Take a look at these guys with there guns.Did you have other pics?

[Boot]

They are great pictures, I love that second one, I don't think I've seen it before.
Do you know who he is ?
Those a big straight cased cartridges he's packin there.
Looks like he's washed his shirt to hot.

Boot.

[River City John]

Bill Tilghman on the left.

[Will Ketchum]

Bill Tilghman on the left.

Well actually he's on the right....the picture posted is reversed

Will Ketchum

[Fox Creek Kid]

Bill's in the third photo and not the second.    The fella in the 2nd has a heavy barrel Sharps (looks to be 15 or 16 lbs.), Bridgeport fore end and looks to be chambered in .45 2 7/8", the largest cartridge Sharps chambered in a rifle.

[River City John]

Bill's in the third photo and not the second.    The fella in the 2nd has a heavy barrel Sharps (looks to be 15 or 16 lbs.), Bridgeport fore end and looks to be chambered in .45 2 7/8", the largest cartridge Sharps chambered in a rifle.

Yep, got cornfused there.

[Fox Creek Kid]

Well actually he's on the right....the picture posted is reversed

Actually it's not, Will. Look at the lock on the Sharps.    You've lived in liberal Wisconsin too long and see everything to the left. 

[Will Ketchum]

Actually it's not, Will. Look at the lock on the Sharps.    You've lived in liberal Wisconsin too long and see everything to the left. 

Your right.  I just glanced at the picture in the book it came out of "Firearms of the American West"  and saw that the picture was reversed from the one posted and assumed the author had it right.  Perhaps the one posted was from a later edition and they corrected the picture.

Will Ketchum

[Boot]

I believe the picture of Tilghman is printed correctly, but it was the one above that I was refering to.

Packin' Iron has hime down as a Buffalo hunter fron the 1870s.

When were those long caliber Sharps first introduced ?

Boot.

[Fox Creek Kid]

When were those long caliber Sharps first introduced ?

That's a good question. UMC was quoting Sharps prices for the cases in Jan. '76 but some feel it was later that year or early '77 before it was available.

[Henry4440]

Do you know who he is ?

Sorry Boot, i must say no.Found the pic on a Estonian website.

[Henry4440]

Did you guys noticed the scope on the Sharps in the last pic?

[Boot]

I'm have that picture in The Peacemakers by R.L.Wilson, page 144, the caption reads;

Members of the party that first discovered gold in the Black Hills 1874.
H.N.Ross (1) armed with a Sharps military rifle; Dick Stone (2) with scope-sighted Model 1874 Sharps; Jack Cale (4) has model 1866 Winchester.
There's no mention of number three or the dog.

Re' the second picture, I always understood that those real large caliber Sharps didn't appear untill the tail end of Buffalo hunting especially so in Texas as the Southern herd was the first to be exterminated.

Boot.

[ColonelFlashman]

The fun thing about these Pix is that you are always able to tell the Posers from the Real Westerner, as the formers clothes look to new & very uncomfortable wearing them, where as the latters clothes look comfortably lived in.

[Whiskey Johnson]

Thanks for the Great Pics!

I am sure all you "Historians" here know it, but being new to this I need some DATES! Most of the Pics I found on the 'net are too late(1885-1900's). I want to represent 1879-1882.

If anyone can date these for me, it would be great! Your best guess, or any links to earlier dates. (I know, I need to find time to get to a large Library)

Thanks!

[Black Powder]

Here's a pic of a pic from my Time Life series.  Caption says it's from Deadwood, late 1870's.  It's an extract from a larger picture & perhaps too grainy to see well.  Don't mess with the guy on the right.

BP

[Boot]

Whiskey Johnson,
                        All the pictures posted so far on this topic are before 1882 they may go back to the early 1870s would would still be a good representaion of the period you're looking for.

Black Powder,
                   That's a great picture, which Time-Life is it from ?

Boot.

[Black Powder]

Howdy Boot -

It's from "The Expressmen."

BP

[Boot]

Thanks, I should of been able to work that out for myself.

I always question the captions in the time-life series as they are notoriously inacurate, but I can't find anything in this picture to make me doubt it's what they say it is.

I notice the guard's carrying what looks more like a single shot carbine than a shotgun.

Boot.

[Black Powder]

Thanks, I should of been able to work that out for myself.

That's quite alright, Boot.  I hadn't put it away even, which I have a bad habit of doing according to the missus. 

I've been reading lately about the inconsistent documentation of Civil War photographs and I'm not surprised that some of the T-L captioning is suspect.  Unfortunately, I do not own any primary source history books, so I'm constantly searching for validation of what I think I know.  Not that this ever precludes my expressing an opinion...

BP