Suggestion for a new Society for the 1876.

Started by Grizzly Adams, November 26, 2007, 04:45:31 PM

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Sir Charles deMouton-Black

In 1879 Winchester sold a buncha '73s to Spain.  There was a regular musket. and then there was a cavalry carbine exactly like Jack made up.
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Quote from: Grizzly Adams on December 02, 2007, 04:09:30 PM.....
By the way, that 1873 carbine/short musket is outstanding!  Where did you get the components for that conversion?

Well, actually the gunsmith who did it up for me (on an original 1882-made M'73 action which was completely 'orphaned') got or made everything.   He does all his stockmaking from scratch, and I understand he fabricated both the nosecap and the buttplate. He specializes in restoring and restocking vintage firearms ... and is quite a wizard at it ..... provided you're prepared to "wait the wait", if you know what I mean.  (About three years, in this case .....)

Mind you, he's not at all averse to "making do" - for example, since the magazine tube is entirely concealed and protected by the forestock, he made it out of standard copper plumbing pipe ... and it works like a charm!

My, that's a mighty handsome lookin' rifle y'got there, Electric Factory!
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Quote from: Electric Factory on December 02, 2007, 05:58:09 PM
Griz,
I like your 22" bbl a lot, are you pleased with the bbl length now that you've shot it a bunch ? I have the standard 28" bbl length- GREAT shooting results but I have flirted with the idea of lopping off 2" to make it a little handier. It just shoots so well I'm afraid to mess with it.
EF


Hey, EF.  I really like the weight and overall balance of the 76 with the 22 inch barrel.  I tend to prefer carbines and short rifles, and this one shoots very well for me.  Sounds like yours is a keeper in terms of shooting.  I don't think I would mess with a good thing! ;)

By the way, who did you bribe to get that wood?  Man, that is drop dead beautiful! ;D
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Quote from: RattlesnakeJack on December 02, 2007, 09:30:02 PM
Well, actually the gunsmith who did it up for me (on an original 1882-made M'73 action which was completely 'orphaned') got or made everything.   He does all his stockmaking from scratch, and I understand he fabricated both the nosecap and the buttplate. He specializes in restoring and restocking vintage firearms ... and is quite a wizard at it ..... provided you're prepared to "wait the wait", if you know what I mean.  (About three years, in this case .....)

Mind you, he's not at all averse to "making do" - for example, since the magazine tube is entirely concealed and protected by the forestock, he made it out of standard copper plumbing pipe ... and it works like a charm!

My, that's a mighty handsome lookin' rifle y'got there, Electric Factory!

I was aware of the "Spanish carbine" that Sir Charles has referenced, but this is the first I have seen outside of GM's Winchester book.  It is really a nice looking combination.  Uberti or Chaparral should consider a run of them.  I'd buy one!

In any case, your gunsmith is a talented fellow, and did a fine piece of work there. :)

...So Double B Hutch, are you going to buy that 50-95? ;)
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Marshal Halloway


Well....

Looks like we're heading for another special interest board.

Come up with a board title and description and we should be good to go.
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Grizzly Adams

Quote from: Marshal Halloway on December 02, 2007, 11:13:11 PM
Well....

Looks like we're heading for another special interest board.

Come up with a board title and description and we should be good to go.

Outstanding, Marshal! :) 

Well, Gentlemen, what say you?! :)
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Deadeye Don

If you want to keep it just a 76 board then Winchester76 would be good,  but if you want it to be a big bore lever gun board then............   BBLR  or Big Bore Lever Rifles as an example.

Designed for people who own or are interested in the 1876 Winchester and reproductions.


Designed for people who own or are interested in the big bore lever rifles and carbines pre 1900.


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Hobie

I'm more for concentrating on the 1876 Winchester.   ;)  I'm sure it will be visited by shooters of other .50-95 or .45-60 guns.
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w44wcf

As Hobie said, "1876 Winchester" or Winchester Model 1876.

In their 1878 catalog, the cartridge illustration indicates "Winchester Centennial Model 1876".

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Hell-Er High Water

Here is an idea.  It could be called something like:

                       THE CENTENIAL BOARD

with the fine print stating that other big bore (40 caliber and above) lever and pump guns could be addressed also.

Just an idea for the future members to kick around.

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Grizzly Adams

Quote from: Hobie on December 03, 2007, 08:27:17 AM
I'm more for concentrating on the 1876 Winchester.   ;)  I'm sure it will be visited by shooters of other .50-95 or .45-60 guns.

I am inclined to agree that this is a more specialized, and currently less well supported model.  Much is established knowledge in terms of loading for the 45-70 for example.  Not to say that those folks would not be welcome to visit and post. 

For the board name I suggest, "The Winchester Model 1876."

Description statement:  The Winchester Model 1876 board serves as a clearing house for information related to the history, shooting, or collecting of the Winchester Model 1876 and the modern replicas of the Winchester Centennial  model.

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RattlesnakeJack

I like Grizzly's suggestion for the forum name and description ....
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w44wcf

QuoteFor the board name I suggest, "The Winchester Model 1876."
;D ;D

I would humbly suggest a minor modification to the description statement:

The Winchester Model 1876 board is dedicated to the history, shooting, and / or collecting of the Winchester Model 1876 and the modern replicas of the Winchester Centennial  model.

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Buck Stinson

It looks like this is really going somewhere.  For those who don't already know, I would like to remind you that for the past 6 years, I have been collecting serial number data on original 1876 Winchesters.  To date, I have serial numbers and specs on over 3000 original guns that still exist today.  This is nearly 5% of the total production, which is estimated at just under 64,000 guns.  If you have an original 1876 carbine, rifle or musket, I would be happy to add it to my list.  Condition of the gun is not important.  Whether it is altered or refinished in not important, as I still want to add it to the list.  I will even include stripped receivers and rusty dug-ups as long as the serial number is legible.  I am interested in the serial number, caliber, configuration of the gun and any rework that may have been done.   If you have an original you would like added to my list, please email me and let me know.   Necessary info as follows.

serial number
rifle, carbine or musket
caliber
barrel length (always measured from face of breech bolt to end of muzzle)
barrel shape  (round, octagon, half round, extra heavy)

special order extras (examples as follows)

set trigger
sling swivels (original or add on)
half magazine
case colored receiver (original or redo)
enscribed, engraved
plated finish (if so, what parts)
special sights
cresent rifle butt or shotgun butt


Sub catagory-wood only

fancy grade wood (1X, 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x)
checkered
straight grip or pistol grip


If you have a factory letter on your gun, most of the special order extras that were ordered on the gun when new, will be listed in the letter.  I say "most" special orders, but not all.  Example, most letters do not mention sling and swivels although many guns do have them.  Often times, special order sights are not mentioned either. 

Again, I appreciate any and all help and look forward to adding additional serial numbers to my list.  I must also say that your name, address, phone number or any other personal info is not required and not part of my survey.   

Adios,
Buck

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Grizzly Adams

Quote from: w44wcf on December 03, 2007, 10:25:11 AM
;D ;D

I would humbly suggest a minor modification to the description statement:

The Winchester Model 1876 board is dedicated to the history, shooting, and / or collecting of the Winchester Model 1876 and the modern replicas of the Winchester Centennial  model.

w44wcf


Har! ;D Are you suggesting that I am long winded!!?? :D

Works for me! :)
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Old Shasta

Thanks to a link from Hobie over at Leverguns.com, I am pleased to find a board here devoted to the 1876.  I don't have much to say most of the time, so am usually just lurking.  I do very much enjoy my Taylor's 1876.  It's a .45-60 with 28" barrel, high grade wood, and added Marble's tang sight and Beech front sight.

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w44wcf

QuoteHar!  ;D Are you suggesting that I am long winded!!?? :D

Grizzly Adams,
Not at all. ;)  "Dedicated" just seemed like the right word to use. :)

Old Shasta,
Beautiful looking rifle!

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Grizzly Adams

Welcome, Old Shasta!  That's really a fine looking 76.  Has the wood been refinished, or is that "out of the box."?

w44wcf, I agree!  Dedicated is the right word.  I think we will go with that wording! :)

Cool!  When did the similies all get hats? :D
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Old Shasta

Thanks for the compliments on my 1876.  The wood & finish is "out of the box".  The only thing I did was add sights and lighten up the trigger pull, which was in excess of the 12 lbs. my gauge is capable of reading.

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