‘58 Remington problem and “fix”.

[Wolfgang]

A '58 Remington problem and "fix".  

I experienced an interesting and at first puzzling problem with a slightly used brass framed Pietta '58 Remington that I recently acquired.   The cylinder pin would pull all the way out when the loading rammer was dropped.  (  It should be prevented from pulling more then just enough to allow the cylinder to be removed. )   Mystified by this I tried swapping parts back and forth from my other brass '58 and my steel frame '58.  No matter how I switched the parts it was only the newly acquired brass one that had the problem.  So, . . it wasn't the parts.  After a couple of days of thought I could only surmise that the hole that the screw goes thru to secure the loading lever had been located just a fraction lower then it should be and that thus the part of the loading lever around the hole that the retaining screw goes thru was just low enough that it did not act as the stop for the cylinder pin.  I figure the "fix" would be to peen the loading lever just past the hole for the retaining screw until the metal  was extended enough to engage the cylinder pin and prevent its removal.  I did this, . .  carefully peening a bit at a time and trying it repeatedly until it retained the cylinder pin.  However once this had been achieved, I found that the loading lever would not quite swing all the way up to the barrel as the slightly extended part of the loading lever was now hitting the frame as it swung to the closed possition.  I figure to fix this by filing a little bit of brass off in that area.  I went thru my file collection and didn't have one quite the tiny and square configuration needed to reach in there so will get one tomorrow.  A satisfactory "fix" to an unusual problem.

Evening Wed. Nov. 7th.  
Conclusion.  I took out some brass from inside the frame and also need to file the bottom of the peice that has the pivot hole in it as the whole thing got "bigger" from peaning not just the top end where I needed the extra material to engage the cylinder pin.  Then I found that the latch at the muzle end of the loading lever wouldn't close.  Peaning the part with the hole had made it a little longer as well as bigger.  I fixed this by carefully filing down both the end of the loading lever and a bit off of the catch piece as well.  All works smooth as snot now and the cylider pin doesn't come flying out when pulled to release the cylinder.  I was surpised at how little metal of that pivot peice actually contacts the cylinder pin to hold it from coming out.  Not near as much as would be assumed from observing the "cut out" on the bottom of the cylinder pin.  A satisfactory conclusion to an unusual problem.  All caused by the hole for the pivot screw being very, very slightly to low.  

Good shootin', . . . them '58 Remingtons . . . .  

[Montana Slim]

Saw the same problem with a pard's NM Remington (Uberti) whilst I was fitting Kirst cylinders to the pair.
Looked like the problem could be solved by adding a tinyl lump of spot-weld in just the right spot.

The reason for the problem was the hole for the pivot scre was in the wrong spot. amazing, huh? 

Slim

[Wolfgang]

Yes.  Same problem.  Very little metal contacts the cylider pin to prevent it coming out. So a very slight miss alignment of the pivot screw hole is enough to cause the problem.  I conisdered adding metal but didn't have the means handy to do that so peened it instead.  All fixed now.   Good shootin', . . .