Hello the Camp

[Mulee Pete]

Just wanted to palaver a bit about how I got interested in Remington Revolvers and how I use them.
I retired from the Navy in '94 after 21 years, moved to my wifes hometown of St. George, Utah.  Was an western entertainer with the Bar G Chuckwagon, Cowboy Supper & Live Western Show, where among other things I did some fancy gun handeling and quickdraw for the guests.  Well, that faded away, but with a couple of friends we started the CowBoy QuickDraw Hollywood Style Charity Shoot.  We set up balloon targets to Western Speed Timers, show the folks how to draw Hollywood Style with Colt clones and give them a chance to save the town at high noon.  We ask for a $5.00 donation which goes to the charity that has asked us to work with them, for instance, we have benifited Coins for Kids Christmas, Shop With A Cop, "Cancer Sucks" and Southern Utah Special Olympics.  Gives us a great excuse to play gunslinger
Anyway, I was using a Ruger Vaquero, then a Cimaron, then a Charles Daley for the QuickDraw.  BUT THEN, I found the conversion cylinder for a Pietta Remington with a 12" barrel that I had been using in my gun spinning act, and fell in love with Remingtons!  Then I bought a second one, then found the current jem I am using the 1875 Remington.  After slicking it up a bit, (we use stock revolvers that can fire a real round, but we use balloon loads that we have developed over the years) I have the most unique smokewagon of the Aces Full Gang.  Even though it is a bit heavier than my Pards pistols, I still shoot in the mid .50's of a second.  The main thng is we have fun and raise some cash for good causes.  We pratice on tuesday nites, kind of like bowling or golf, in our shooter shed, and have a great time.
That is how I got inersted in the Remington Revolver, and how I enjoy shooting it.  Thanks for listening and hope to share some more  of the QuickDraw with you down the trail.

Mulee Pete, phd

[Silver Creek Slim]

Great story.
I have 3 1875's and 5 Remington C&B's

Slim

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Howdy, Mulee Pete!

I don't have the full stable that my good pard Silver Creek Slim has, but I still have a great 1875 (Uberti) Remington as well as a NMA 1863 ('58) that I resurrected from oblivion!

I USED to have a (nearly) matched set of 1875s, but one went to a good cause.

Here they are (well, were ...)



(Didn't mean to bore any of y'all who may have seen these before, but ...  )

[Ten Wolves Fiveshooter]

Howdy Steel Horse
   and good story Mulee Pete         and Slim I think you must have all the guns 
           Those are some mighty fine looking Rem. 75 Steelhorse, I've never had the opertunity to handle or shoot the Remington 75, when I shot in quick draw comp. back in years past, I don't think I remember seeing one, all the bunch of Pards that I used to shoot with, used Colt SAA's or there clones. One of these days I hope give one a try.
                             
                                     You all have a fine weekend 

                                             Ten Wolves 

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Thanks, Ten Wolves!

Remingtons are great!  But they are very different feeling than Colts.  I don't actually know which I prefer - I love 'em both!  One thing I've found, and it seems to be the same with many owners of the Uberti Remington 1875s, is that they have OUTSTANDING accuracy!  They'll pretty much keep up with my Python or ANY other revolver I own or have owned.  I don't know why - perhaps it's the "sail" under the barrel, but since it is held on by one screw and a locater pin, I have my doubts.  Uberti just makes good ones!

[Ten Wolves Fiveshooter]

Back atya Steel Horse Bailey

              Thats interesting, I never would have thought of the Remington 75 as being that accurate, sounds good to me, and you say that Uberti makes the best 75 , I've always thought of myself as being a sort of a shootest, at least in my own mine, but then in my mine one can have a good time, and never have anything at all to do with reality. But kidding aside, I love an accurate sixgun, I think a lot of us feel that way about our guns, just hopping to have at least one that will be a real tack driver, Steel Horse, I think I just might make my next gun a Remington 75 , besides one can never have enough Sixguns don't you now. Thanks for the information, I appreciate it 

                                                Ten Wolves 

[Steel Horse Bailey]

You won't go wrong!

For now, Uberti makes the ONLY 75s.  I'm not sure who all imports them - mine are EMFs.  USFA is supposed to be working on one at this time, but I'm sorry to say that - as much as it probably will be an outstanding gun, MOST of us normal folks won't be able to afford one.    I predict you'll be able to buy 2 - probably 3 - Ubertis for the one USFA.  I'm NOT runnin' down USFA:  they're OUTSTANDING guns, just that you get what you pay for.  And my Ubertis did GREAT - at a price I could afford.    And I didn't have to take a bath when I traded the one I did - it held its' value pretty well.

I couldn't afford the Hartford Armory version, either, and perhaps it's best since they shined then died quickly.

[Ten Wolves Fiveshooter]

Howdy Steel Horse

             That sounds good I' ve bought a lot of guns from E.M.F. and I've never been dissapointed, I think Uberti has been doing a good job with there quility control, for the past several years, oh I know there are some that have problems, but when you figure all the hand guns and long guns they ship over here, there is bound to be a problem once in a while, it's just the name of the game. I personally think Uberti has and is putting out some dang nice stuff . Thanks for the information Steel Horse.

                                                You have a great day

                                                   Ten Wolves 

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Howdy Steel Horse

             That sounds good I' ve bought a lot of guns from E.M.F. and I've never been dissapointed, I think Uberti has been doing a good job with there quility control, for the past several years, oh I know there are some that have problems, but when you figure all the hand guns and long guns they ship over here, there is bound to be a problem once in a while, it's just the name of the game. I personally think Uberti has and is putting out some dang nice stuff . Thanks for the information Steel Horse.

                                                You have a great day

                                                   Ten Wolves 

De Nada, Amigo!

I agree that Uberti is pretty much on the ball and has been for quite some time.  I bought my first Uberti, an 1860 Army Colt, over 32 years ago and it'll outlive ME, I assure you! 

[Ten Wolves Fiveshooter]

Good evnin Steel Horse

             I've got a question, how does the accuracy on the 5 1/2" Remy 75 compare to the 7 1/2" barrel, I know this is a question that has probably been asked a gazelion times, I just can't find it , so in your opinion, how do you feel about it. I've always found the longer tube to be a little more user friendly, and more accurate, but the 5 1/2 " easyer handling and easer to carry, so if the two are about the same in accuracy, I think the shorter tube would be the way to go. If you have any thoughts on this I would shure like to here what you think . Look forward to here from you, and thanks for all the information on the Remington 75 .

                                          Ten Wolves 

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Howdy!

10 Wolves, I wish I could speak from experience regarding barrel length, but I can't specifically - about the 75s.  I PERSONALLY think that the 5.5" 75s look cool, but not as good as the longer ones.  However, I kinda like the short barrel on the Remington 90s!  They are essentially the same gun, but without the "sail."  Historically, there were only a few thousand of the 90s made and VERY FEW had the long barrel, so the shorter barrel is most accurate on the 90s.  What I've HEARD about the accuracy of the shorter 75s is that they are as accurate as their longer brothers.  Personally - and this is only MY theory - I think it has to do with the added weight of the "sail" as well as possibly the stiffening effect by its presence; 'tho it only attaches to the barrel in front by one screw and is held in place at the frame end by a tab in a slot.  The most difference, IMHO, has to be the extra weight out front.

I'm like you in that the longer sight plane helps accuracy: that seems to be common knowledge.  The shorter barrels ARE easier to manipulate.

Now I CAN say that my NMA 58 C&B pistol lost ZERO accuracy when I had to "bob" the barrel from its original length to its present length of 6.125".  And it DOES seem to handle a tad better, but it's really hard to tell. (Click on the "My CAS City Profile" banner at the bottom of my post to read what I did to the gun.)  Basically, the gun was a "going out of business" store bargain.  It came with the hammer so tall that you couldn't see down the frame groove to sight it.  I had to re-shape the hammer.  The springs were from a '49 Ford pick-up and the innards were rough ... Rough ...ROUGH!  OK, I fixed that.  It DID shoot well.  The 2nd time I shot it, after about the 18th shot, the barrel latch falls off the gun, causing a loading lever lock-up.  I found the piece in the gravel (!!) but upon inspection, I looked into the hole where it was "press fitted" into the barrel and I could see RIFLING!  They had drilled most of the way 'thru the metal!  If that weren't enough, when I got it home and had magnification and light, I found residue left from GLUE where they had attempted (successfully) to get it past whatever Pietta called "Quality Control" at the time!  I'm NOT bashing a fine gunmaker; this gun is probably 20 years old an the NEW Pietta company makes fine guns ... but they didn't always. 

Anyway, it's a real good shooter now and the barrel length didn't change it's accuracy at all that I could see.  Pietta Euroarms AND Uberti NMAs have ALL got a real good reputation for accuracy, and the shorter barrel DOES seem to handle a bit easier.

[Ten Wolves Fiveshooter]

Howdy Steel Horse

         I checked out your web site, Pard you have a really nice gun collection there, I looked at the information pages you have, very informative, that's neat the way you have this site set up, very user friendly, if thats your family, very nice looking , I'd say your a pretty lucky pard. You shure did a lot of work on the 58, it's hard to believe they would put a gun like this out for sale to the public, but you did a real nice job of makeing it wright, that 6.125" barrel is still what I consider a long tube, and I've had great results with anything from 6" to 8" barrels, 5 1/2" and 4 3/4" I tend to lose that wright on thing, that I have with the longer barreled guns. It's just so much easer getting the gun out of the holster with a shorter barreled gun, with the longer barreled guns the only easy way to draw the gun out is eighter the cross draw, or a longer drop on the strong side, which I don't think SASS or NCOW'S approve of, it's the old rock in a hard place thing .
         When it comes to 5 1/2 or 7 1/2" barrels I think I have to stick to my guns, and say the longer tube comes out the winner.( just my oppinion) talking about Pietta Remington 58 , and the trouble you had with it, is sort of what Uberti went through when they started out, but like I said earlier, both co. are putting out some quality firearms now, I bought a couple Peitta Great Western ll's a while back and I'm real happy with them . It's my understanding that Pietta replaced most or all there machinery before they started making the Great Western ll, which is probably why these guns, are so wright on , and smooth wright out of the box.
         
                                     Thanks for your reply Steel Horse and have a great week 

                                                    Ten Wolves Five Shooter 

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Thanks, pard.

I'm with you - the longer barrels have the edge, overall.  If you see my meager collection, there are only a couple guns shorter than 6"; one is an 1883 Iver Johnson top-break 38 S&W pocket pistol and the other is my highly customized (more-or-less) Ruger Old Model Vaquero in 45 Colt.

When my Pietta NMA snuck ... sneaked ... waltzed out the factory door, it must have been a "Late Friday Afternoon" gun.    Otherwise, it would STILL be full length.
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One thing that I feel is that the Italians generally make some good products, but the Dollar vs. Euro thing puts a bad taste in many mouths, including mine.  When I bought my AWA, a new Colt was over $1300, a USFA Rodeo was $600 with their prettier guns being $750 or so, and so on.  Old Model Vaqueros were $350 - $375.  My AWA was a bit more than $350 with tax.  I feel it was worth more than what I paid, but not much - and it wasn't NEARLY as stout a a Ruger, it wasn't quite as nice as USFA, and the Colts - whatever their TRUE value - were out of the question.  (Time has showed that my AWA purchase was a VERY good one and it is a gun I expect will be working faithfully looonng after I'm gone.  My AWA says "AWA Italy" in a secluded spot under the barrel.)   Now we have a lot more to choose from, but the guns I'm interested in are pushing or past the $1000 mark.  ( Laramie - Colts - USFA - etc.)  In the case of the USFA & Colts, they are WAY past a grand, but...  Well, most of the Italian guns prices have doubled (or more) due to the exchange rate, which is sad, 'cause they AINT DOUBLE THE QUALITY!   Yes, many have improved - some - but some haven't.  I hear WAY more about screwed-up guns out-of-the-Italian-boxes NOW than I ever did when I started this game about 11-12 years ago.

But to put things into perspective, I've paid 19.9 cents per gallon for gas, too - back in the mid to late 60s when I started driving! 

[Ten Wolves Fiveshooter]

Howdy Steel Horse 

                I know what you mean, but things are going to change whether we like it or not, There is one thing I keep going back to, when I'm thinking about all the western movement that we have going on today, and thats this , if it wasn't for our friends in Italy, we just my not be haveing all the fun were having today, I often wonder what things would be like if all the Italians arms co. hadn't of jumped in there when, Colt and Wincester, stopped making some of there old models, and how many people can aford a real Colt, or  USAF clone, back in the 60's I had two 45 colts, the darn guns were allways haveing something going wrong with them, lucky for me I had a friend that used to fix them for me for nothing , then this same friend turned me onto the Yeager Incontental Dakota, in 45 colt it was a clone of the 1873. This gun without a doubt shot better, and didn't fall apart as easy as the two 45 Colts I had been useing, and this Dakota is one sweet gun, it just feels good in the hand. I haven't seen a new AWA sixgun, but I here by the reports on different forums that they are darn nice guns, and there again, this ones from Italy , So I guess we're all lucky, we have the best of all worlds when it comes to our old western guns. I'll send a picture of my 41 year old Dakota, Imade the grips on this gun. It's allways fun talking to you Steel Horse.

                                                  Ten Wolves 

        Gas back in the 60's I paid 1.17 9/10 for reg which was 94 octain and 1.21 9/10 for 104 octain super

[Steel Horse Bailey]

I agree.

And ...

Nice grips and gun.  The gun looks "lived in" and happy! 

[Ten Wolves Fiveshooter]

                                               Thanks