1876win, 45-75 in a long range shoot ??

[Marshal Deadwood]

Now guys,,we don't have long ranges out here in Va like ya'll do in New Mexico !,,,most of ours are shoots at 200 yards,,ONE range only has a 400 yarder for the bp cartridge,,,

so,,with that part in mind,,,would the '76win in 45-75 double as a bp cartridge match gun,,,,aside from a hunting gun also ?

Just muzin' and ponderin' here guys... between the two,,hi/wall 45-90 or '76win 45-75 ?

I think the '76 would be a more convient huntin' rifle....

be honest,,brutally honest..

Marshal Deadwood

[gw]

Marshal----The 1876 in 45-75 (or any caliber)  won't ever be a match grade cartridge rifle. That said, it would be ok at 200-300 yards for a real big plinker(big steel gongs etc.) The Hi-Wall would have a big advantage here.
   For hunting, within reasonable range, either rifle would work, the '76 having the advantage of a quick followup shot if needed. Weightwise, there won't be much difference depending on the barrel length and weight of the Hi-Wall. Sounds to me like you need to buy both of these rifles for two different purposes!

[Marshal Deadwood]

Ooops,,,I knew it wouldn't be a main match gun, I have a '73win for that.

Just doin' some muzin' here on the others....

The 45-90 hi/wall seems a good choice,,,but iv been warned of sevear recoil. I'v hunted with '06s, 270s , 7mm mags, 300weatherbeys,,,,would the hi/wall in 45-90 thump more than that ? I'v never been to shy about recoil,,,but would avoid it were it lethal !!  Would the hi/wall be a good bp cartridge competition rifle for 500 yds or less ? How do they rate in competition with a Sharps ?

Thanks gents,,,Just muddlin' thur this like a drunk monkey with a bag over its head,,,

and of course, I know neither are 'main match' guns,,,,I should said earlier,,sorry. Our guys have bp cartridge long range shoots is what I was considering. Well, long range if you guys out west consider 300 yards long ! Here in the mts, we'd have to have one that would shoot around a hill to EVER get 800 or 1000 yards LOL

Marshal Deadwood

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

The Mounties used the '76 Carbine in matches up to 600 yards.  Of course, with a military style ladder sight.  Apparently the Winchesters held their own on the range, even after the Lee-Metford cavalry carbine was beginning to be issued.

The movie TOM HORN showed the actor using a '76 rifle with a tang sight to shoot the boy he hung for.

[Marshal Deadwood]

Sir Charles,,,,I think indeed Tom Horn used a '76 win.... not sure the calibre of his rifle though,,,,

Marshal Deadwood

[Delmonico]

Tom Horn when he was a stock detective in Wyoming used a Winchester 1894 rifle in 30-30.  Many including me belive Tom Horn was hung for a crime he did not commit, although few think that they hung an innocent man.

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

I think it would have been a '94 in real life. 

In "REEL" life, a 76 was inserted for style points!

[Delmonico]

I think it would have been a '94 in real life. 

In "REEL" life, a 76 was inserted for style points!

Yep, the Nitro powder and the jacketed bullets of 160 gr at 1970 fps sure made a decent, light weight rifle for long range at the time.   To bad the writters of gun rags don't think so.

[Hobie]

I'm thinking that the 1876, properly loaded, will make a good gun to carry in one of those new-fangled things called "trucks". 

[Delmonico]

I'm thinking that the 1876, properly loaded, will make a good gun to carry in one of those new-fangled things called "trucks". 

Would work fine in a pick-up also.

[Grizzly Adams]

Now guys,,we don't have long ranges out here in Va like ya'll do in New Mexico !,,,most of ours are shoots at 200 yards,,ONE range only has a 400 yarder for the bp cartridge,,,

so,,with that part in mind,,,would the '76win in 45-75 double as a bp cartridge match gun,,,,aside from a hunting gun also ?

Just muzin' and ponderin' here guys... between the two,,hi/wall 45-90 or '76win 45-75 ?

I think the '76 would be a more convient huntin' rifle....

be honest,,brutally honest..

Marshal Deadwood

Generally speaking, no lever action, 1886, 1876 or M1895 is going to be the equal of a single shot rifle at long range - all things being equal.  However, at distances up to 350 yards with good sights they will give good account if you do your part.  Back in the day, the 45-75 had an excellent reputation for accuracy, and good performance on heavy game.

......and my 1876 short rifle is a fine truck gun!  It's the back and forth to the truck that tuckers a fella out!

[john boy]

In October, was shooting 1000yds with my 45-70's and was interested to see how far the 45-75 would fly ... it made it to a pallet on the range that was out there at 800yds.  Load was 65grs FFg

[Grizzly Adams]

In October, was shooting 1000yds with my 45-70's and was interested to see how far the 45-75 would fly ... it made it to a pallet on the range that was out there at 800yds.  Load was 65grs FFg

That's a fair shoot with a 350 grain bullet.  John, what kind of BP are you using in your 45-75?

[john boy]

what kind of BP are you using in your 45-75?

The powder was Meteor FFg (vintage 1971) made by Noble in Scotland that was imported by CIL in Canada and sold by DuPont.  I have several cases of it and can't see wasting my Swiss and Goex.

PS:  The Meteor is every bit as good as Goex and have used it to throw 500gr bullets to 1000yds with excellent results

[w44wcf]

The 800 yard pallet John Boy is talking about is above thetree line over the #5 sign on the Ram bank (547 yards).


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[Grizzly Adams]

The 800 yard pallet John Boy is talking about is above thetree line over the #5 sign on the Ram bank (547 yards).


w44wcf

Heck, I can't even see that far!  Har! 

Great shooting!

[w44wcf]

John Boy aiming his '76 at the 500 meter (547 yards) steel ram - Ridgway, PA Oct '07


firing.....



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[john boy]

Ahh Yes, the Smell of Sulfur ... Well, I'll Be!  Didn't even know that you took these pictures!

[quigleysharps4570]

Great pics.