Need Alittle Help Finding a Part

[Waya]

Need advice on Rem. Rolling Block part

Gentlemen

I need some help finding the part as seen missing below.

   

I found out that it's from a block of an 1871 Springfield Rolling Block Military Model.

I'm needing the firing pin retainer.

I have checked with Numeric, and they have no clue.

  Thing is, I'm rebuilding an old original Remington Rolling Block no.# 1, ser. no. # c 677. I've got the action complete except for the Firing Pin Retainer as in the Breachblock pictured above, and if need be can make the part if I know what it looks like.

If anyone knows what this part looks like, please post a picture here, or, if anyone knows who might have the part needed, I'de sure appreciate it.



  Boucoups of Big Thanks

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[Fox Creek Kid]

http://www.lonestarrifle.com/

[Waya]

http://www.lonestarrifle.com/

  LOL,,,, funny you mention LoneStarRifles, Fox Creek. He's just Northeast of me a few miles, and Dave was the first person that I called. He isn't familliar with the piece and part in question either. So, untill i can find a picture of what that dadgummed part looks like, it appears that I'll have to make one out of a piece of wooden dowel as a model to go by, and see if I can't find a machinist to turn me out one. I know one thing for sure though, when i have one made, I'm gona have several made just to keep on hand.

  Appreciate the response my friend, Thanks.

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[Mossyrock]

DAVE doesn't know what the part is?  And it's from a ROLLING BLOCK?!?!?  Wow.  Color me stunned.  This may very well be a sign of the pending Apocalypse.  For the record, there is NO sarcasm in the above statement....I'm serious.  Dave Higginbotham is Mr. Rolling Block.  If HE doesn't know what it is or where to find it, I am at a total loss. 

[St. George]

Try S&S Firearms.

www.ssfirearms.com  - or - 1-718-497-1100

I'd probably call them - but you have a clear photo, so an email attachment'd probably work.

The have unadvertised parts that you'll need to ask about - but they're quite helpful.

Good Luck.

Vaya,

Scouts Out!

[Waya]

DAVE doesn't know what the part is?  And it's from a ROLLING BLOCK?!?!?  Wow.  Color me stunned.  This may very well be a sign of the pending Apocalypse.  For the record, there is NO sarcasm in the above statement....I'm serious.  Dave Higginbotham is Mr. Rolling Block.  If HE doesn't know what it is or where to find it, I am at a total loss. 

  Mossyrock, believe me, Dave didn't know !!! Like I said, he was the very first person that I called because of the fact that he is Mr. Rolling Block and knows his stuff. Tell you the truth,,,, I was kinda shocked myself !!!


   I found the piece needed at S&S Firearms, and they're asking $25.00 for it plus the cost of S & H, but they also told me over the phone that there was no guarantees if the part was bent or abused. That kinda defeats my purpose just a tad, but I guess I'll have to take my chances and see what I get from them. At least I'll know what it looks like and get a good idea of how to make one that will work properly !

  And like I stated before, if I make one, I'm gona make a couple just for the hell of it, to keep on hand just in case of an emergency. ( ya never know !!!! )

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[Will Ketchum]

When you get it take a picture of it so we can all see what it looks like!

Will Ketchum

[Otter]

Waya,

If I remember to do it, I'll operate on my #1 and see if I have the same kind of block as in your pictures. If it is the same, I will take measurements of the part in question and let you know. You can get your e-mail addy to me and I will send you a scan of it. Other than that, I don't know what to tell you. I can check with a couple of friends and see if they can help . . .

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UPDATE
Well, I disassembled and looked at the breech block on my RB and it looks nothing like yours. So, I can't help, but I will continue to inquire of others and do additional research to see if I can get you some help. My RB was originally a .43 Egyptian and has been re-barreled to 45-70.

Sorry . . .

[Waya]

Waya,

If I remember to do it, I'll operate on my #1 and see if I have the same kind of block as in your pictures. If it is the same, I will take measurements of the part in question and let you know. You can get your e-mail addy to me and I will send you a scan of it. Other than that, I don't know what to tell you. I can check with a couple of friends and see if they can help . . .

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UPDATE
Well, I disassembled and looked at the breech block on my RB and it looks nothing like yours. So, I can't help, but I will continue to inquire of others and do additional research to see if I can get you some help. My RB was originally a .43 Egyptian and has been re-barreled to 45-70.

Sorry . . .

  Otter, my Remington RB was originally a .43 Egyption too. I purchased the old action only, better then 20 years ago, from S&S Firearms and payed almost $15.00 for it. It was in fairly good shape except for the ' Mummy Dust ' and light rust which came off easily exposing the ser.# on the leftside of the upper tang. I started piecing the parts together from local gun shows and from a guy that is now out of business who was located in the Houston area.

    I'm re-building it to shoot .45-120 just because I want to be able to ' reach out and touch someone ' !! ( joking,,,,, of corse )

  When I bought the block from the guy in Houston, it was the best one he had on hand out of all the rest, and I didn't know untill just recently that the block itself was one made by Springfield under the Contract with Remington in 1871 - '72, for the Springfield Rolling Block Rifle. All parts from Springfield and Remington interchange, as I've also found out. The block itself was in pristine condition, by the way !!!!

  If you find anything and can post a picture of it, notify me through the email provided or through a PM.

  LOL,,,,, currently,,,,, I'm witteling down a wooden dowel from a bird cage, ( bird will have to find another pirch to squat on,,,, !!! ) and am flying blind as to the inside part that meets up with the firing pin.

  Appreciate the help, Pard

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[Halfway Creek Charlie]

We had a discussion on another forum about the capability of a Remington Rolling block to be able to load anything longer than a 45-70 do to interference with the hammer or the spur.
On my Pedersoli 45-70 using Paul Jones 540 Grn bullets, I have to pull back on the hammer to drop it enough to miss the top of the hammer to load. I have thought of modifying the hammer so this round will pass. I could dish the hammer some as the firing pin has marked the hammer to show where it hits, but I haven't done that yet.

I don't know if this is a problem with the original rb's or not.

[Dusty Morningwood]

If you want to build a rolling block for especially long rounds, the best action to use is the commercial Husqvarna rolling block shotgun action.  The block drops lower upon opening and offers plenty of room.  Might even be worth buying the whole shotgun (stocks are nice) and just put a new barrel on it in your favorite long chambering.

[Hell-Er High Water]

I converted one of my original rolling blocks to 40-70 Sharps Straight.  It is an original 43 Egyptian action (in extremely good condition for an Egyptian action) with a 30" Douglas barrel installed.

I had the hammer nose cut with a rounded groove on the top to clear the rim of this cartridge.  Works like a charm and lets the longer cartridge chamber freely.  It is hardly noticeable and the side profile of the hammer is barely changed.

This is an easy mod to have done if you want to chamber for a cartridge longer than the 45-70.

HHW

[Halfway Creek Charlie]

DANG!
Great minds think alike! HEH, that was my first thought. I will proceed to rework my hammer.
I thought that would work. That'll help getting my Dewey Cleaning rod with the Chamber guide in too!

I'd love to have a 45-110 RB someday, not it appears feasible. I haven't researched it yet but I'm betting that there were some 45-100, and 45-110's used in the buffler trade. Anyone know fer sure?

[Waya]

DANG!
Great minds think alike! HEH, that was my first thought. I will proceed to rework my hammer.
I thought that would work. That'll help getting my Dewey Cleaning rod with the Chamber guide in too!

I'd love to have a 45-110 RB someday, not it appears feasible. I haven't researched it yet but I'm betting that there were some 45-100, and 45-110's used in the buffler trade. Anyone know fer sure?

  From what I've read, there were. Subscribe to ' Black Powder Cartridge ' magazine and you'll find plenty of written articles where some of the old Buffalo Hunters shot the .45-100 and .45-110.

   The .45-120 came out alittle late for the Buffalo Hunts, but it was there for those who wanted to take down game, ( and Bad Guys ) at long ranges, and it seems that the Remington Rolling Blocks were better suited for the heaver cartridges then were the Sharps.

  From what I've been reading, over the years, anything over .45-70 in a Sharps was pure murder on a shooters shoulder, but not only that, the heavier loads such as .45-100, .45-110 and .45-120 literally rattled the Sharps to pieces causing the firing pin and breach to become very loose !!!

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[Otter]

Waya,

Still no luck in my quest to help you find the part for your RB. I'll keep trying, though . . .

OTOH - A shooting friend I haven't seen in a few years has a Rolling Block chambered in 50-140. I don't recall he had to do any radical modifications to the hammer or block to get that cigar stuck down the barrel. So it can be done in the larger, longer cartridges. Now, that's a big bore . . . and not bad to shoot either . . .

[Pitspitr]

I have a friend who built a RB to .50-140 and had to modify the block and hammer. The things are built like a tank and can take the punishment from any cartridge you can get in them.

[Waya]

Waya,

Still no luck in my quest to help you find the part for your RB. I'll keep trying, though . . .

OTOH - A shooting friend I haven't seen in a few years has a Rolling Block chambered in 50-140. I don't recall he had to do any radical modifications to the hammer or block to get that cigar stuck down the barrel. So it can be done in the larger, longer cartridges. Now, that's a big bore . . . and not bad to shoot either . . .

  Thanks Otter, I appreciate whatcher doin for me. I won't forget !!

  LOL,,,,, don't think I want to build and shoot anything like you and Pitspitr  are talking about though cos I've got all I can say GRACE over just trying to build what I've got now.

   .50-140 ought to make just one big hellofa hole though !!!!! 

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[Halfway Creek Charlie]

And kick the H E Double Hockey Sticks  out of you to boot!

I was really surprised that I shot my Pedersoli RB 45-70 the day after I got it. 50 shots and didn't bruise my shoulder at all just a bit red. But it does have a shotgun butt.

Show us pictures of your Big One as you build her up.

[Waya]

And kick the H E Double Hockey Sticks  out of you to boot!

I was really surprised that I shot my Pedersoli RB 45-70 the day after I got it. 50 shots and didn't bruise my shoulder at all just a bit red. But it does have a shotgun butt.

Show us pictures of your Big One as you build her up.

  Will do, Halfway. But I'll tell ya'll one thing not to do, right now, whenever you endevor to take an old action and rebuild it up from nothing. Never, ever, ever, ever,,, take a walnut blank and think you can sit down in the middle of a floor and start handcarving your own stocks !

   Talk about a BITC-you know what,,,,,,,,, I'll never do that again. I used my old Double Barrel 12 Ga. Navy Arms Shotgun stock as a guide, first tracing a patern, transfering it to the walnut, handcutting it with a saw, then sitting down with several of my good sharp pocket knives and going to town. Well sir, the stock took me awhile due to having to spend more time at work on my regular job at the time, but eventually, I got it carved and inletted, ( just the buttstock ). And when I placed it on the action, that dadgummed thing was inletted crooked !!! ( NOTE= NEVER inlet a stock with a pocket knife  ! )

   Thank GOD I left plenty of wood on the sides to work down where I can straighten everything out, but,,,, I'm gona have to do some inlaying with wood ( Black Ebony is the choice since that's what I have on hand ) on the wrists of either side so the wood will fit properly to the frame.

  It's been a real chore, and something I've always wanted to do,,,,,,, BUT,,,,, ,,,, I learned my lesson. Next time, I'll just buy the stocks and be done with it !!!!

  I'll also admitt now,,,, it's been just one hellofalot of fun, and I don't think I'll be getting rid of this old Remington once it's finished. This one's a keeper for sure !!

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[Halfway Creek Charlie]

Yep I know that fer sure. I used to build ML rifles and Pistols from scratch. Now I'll pay the money to the man in Sand Point Idaho to BUY what I need already somewhat inlet. More money...Yep....less time...fer sure and not so many Dumb mistakes(me not you)...you betcha. And he has some pertiful wood too.

Figure costs money How pretty do you want to go?....

Bottom line is his wood FITS and is grade A or better. If I ever build one up you can bet he'll get a call....Wish I could recomember his name right off..