Remington 1875 or Colt 1873 clones ?

Dodge City Slicker · July 21, 2007, 03:42:08 AM

I have 2 Rem BP 1858's and was hankering for a smokeless gun. I like the Rem 1875 in .45 colt..are these as well made as the Colt clones you see everywhere ?
I would like to hear the pros and cons of my choice.
Thanks

Major 2 · July 21, 2007, 05:04:57 AM

Or you might consider Uberti's Forged frame conversion....
The Remy 75 is a nice gun too.

Deadeye Don · July 21, 2007, 06:49:58 AM

OR....You could just buy RandD conversion cylinders for the 1858s!! They are made to shoot smokeless.

PS I am assuming those 58s are reproductions and not originals.

Safe shooting. Deadeye.

Dodge City Slicker · July 21, 2007, 10:47:24 AM

Quote from: Deadeye Don on July 21, 2007, 06:49:58 AM
OR....You could just buy RandD conversion cylinders for the 1858s!! They are made to shoot smokeless.

PS I am assuming those 58s are reproductions and not originals.

Safe shooting. Deadeye.

I do have a Kirst conversion cyl for my Pietta Rem 1858 .45 colt, and it has the steel frame...are these also for smokeless ?

Deadeye Don · July 21, 2007, 11:56:18 AM

Quote from: Dodge City Slicker on July 21, 2007, 10:47:24 AM
I do have a Kirst conversion cyl for my Pietta Rem 1858 .45 colt, and it has the steel frame...are these also for smokeless ?

Yes indeed. In fact that is what they are designed for in the first place. As long as you plan to shoot "cowboy" loads in them go for it.
I am certainly not saying you shouldnt go out and buy a new gun if you want!!

Dodge City Slicker · July 21, 2007, 03:35:59 PM

Quote from: Deadeye Don on July 21, 2007, 11:56:18 AM
Yes indeed. In fact that is what they are designed for in the first place. As long as you plan to shoot "cowboy" loads in them go for it.
I am certainly not saying you shouldnt go out and buy a new gun if you want!!

...new guns are always nice, but getting into CAS has cost me a small fortune so far...I will certainly consider using the Kirst cyl with cowboy smokeless loads

Marshal Will Wingam · July 21, 2007, 06:00:33 PM

Frankly, I like shooting my conversions better than anything I've tried. Much better than the Colt and 1875 Remingtons. They're more accurate and the action is shorter.

If you reload your own ammunition, you may want to try the Cowboy 45 Spl loads. Adirondack Jack's Trading Post I find them to be even more accurate than anything I've ever shot in them. Small cases with less airspace make more consistent loads.

Tommy tornado · July 22, 2007, 03:09:46 PM

I own both a EMF 1875 Outlaw and a few Uberti and Pietta Colt Clones. Both have their good and bad points and both seem to do better after an action job.

1875 Outlaw
-Is Heavier than the Colt
-(Mine) does not take as long a cartridge as my Colt Clones. EX// Cartridge loaded with 270 SAA bullet from RCBS won't work in my 1875.
-Has a hand spring that is more apt to break than the clone. (I have gone through 3 in the 8 years that I have owned it, and so far only replace one colt spring)
-Shoots excellent, dead on after filing my sights a little.
-Very strong solid frame

1873 Colt
-Depends on model but I have one Uberti Cattleman that is extremely rough and needs action work badly. It won't shoot BP well and is kind of a lemon. On the other hand, I have 4 GWII's and another Cattlemen that were excellent out of the box.
-Lighter than the Outlaw even with longer barrels
-Takes a longer cartridge
-Again all but one of mine shoots well.
-Solid frame is strong

E.R.Beaumont · August 14, 2007, 07:37:43 PM

Howdy Pards and Pardettes.

Dodge City Slicker Pard, I would suggest that you find a pard with a pair or maybe only one of each to see which one you like. The grip frames are not the same, and the pistols line up with your arm bones differently. Lots of Pards think that the '75s line up with their eyes better. Good for duelist or gunfighter.

They are heavier so they handle recoil better, and there are the style points for shooting Frank James and Buffalo Bill's favorite Revolver. Every once in a while EMF ( General U.S.Grant's shop) has a special price on the Outlaw model, which is their name for the '75. They also offer discounts to SASS members upon occasion. Their Colt Clones are made by Uberti or Pietta? and their Remmi clones gota be Uberti's cause I think that thay are the only that make them.

That is all I think I know.
Regards, Beaumont

Cimarron Lawman · August 15, 2007, 05:42:42 PM

I like a gun with some heft, as Robert Duvall once said. That's why I prefer the '75 Remington. The stock grips are a little fat, but they can be thinned. And you might want to be proactive and replace the hand spring with a tempered bobby pin.

RattlesnakeJack · August 16, 2007, 03:38:18 PM

I've got clones of both the 1873 Colt and 1875 Remington, and prefer my brace of 1875's ....

Pitspitr · August 17, 2007, 09:55:58 AM

DSS
I have a Pietta NM '58 that I use with a Kirst cylinder. So far I haven't shot Holy Black in it since I got the Kirt. I use both factory and my own reloads. It's slow to shoot duelist but it's also my most accurate side arm. It was my first CAS gun for the very reason you stated, it's expensive to get started in the sport. I've got more guns now and wouldn't have to shoot it, but it's the one I always fall back on, it's reliable.