Taylors '76win, 45-60 ?

Marshal Deadwood · July 13, 2007, 03:56:31 PM

I didnt quite know were else to ask this,,and since ya'll are the 'toggle link' posse...

Still pondering a rifle.

The 1876Win in 45-60,,,,what kinda range ? It says the frame on the '76 is 'beefier' but what about the 'toggle link',,,will it stand up to that round ? Well, I suppose it DID...

Thinkin' 'old west' deer and bear rifle....

what'cha think pards ?

Marshal Deadwood

Captain Rob Page · July 13, 2007, 10:48:03 PM

I am gonna buy one soon. Keep ya posted!

Fox Creek Kid · July 14, 2007, 09:31:41 AM

Quote...will it stand up to that round ?

Yes, in BP.

Will Ketchum · July 14, 2007, 10:30:52 AM

Like FCK said "in black powder" this is a BP round in a BP action. I am sure it's been proofed for smokeless pressures but I would stay with real BP or substitutes (I know kid you don't like the subs)

Will Ketchum

Deadeye Don · July 16, 2007, 10:08:40 AM

Marshal, From what I have read, the 76 was never meant as a long range rifle, but rather as a more powerful rifle for taking bigger game. The distance factors would be about the same as its lesser cousin, the 1873. It was Winchesters response to those hearty individuals who wanted a more powerful caliber for bigger animals. It was one of Teddy Roosevelts favorites. I have one of the Ubertis in 45-60 which is powerful enough for me in a toggle link mechanism. If you want to shoot longer distances the trajectory would be arched. Safe shooting. Deadeye.

Driftwood Johnson · July 16, 2007, 04:37:26 PM

Howdy

Just want to make sure. You are aware the 1876 is not acceptable as a Main Match rifle, right?

The 1876 is the big brother of the 1873, and the rounds it chambers are legal for Long Range Lever Gun, but not for a Main Match rifle.

I cannot speak with any authority on the quality of either the Chapparal or the Uberti made versions of this rifle. I believe the Taylors version is the one made by Uberit.

As for how strong they are, everything in the '76 was scaled up in size from the '73, including the toggle links. They will be stronger than the toggle links in a '73. How much stronger is anybody's guess. Winchester conducted some famous tests on the '76 rifle, and kept feeding it overloads until it finally failed. But when it failed the load was far in excess of anything that could normally be loaded. But it must be remembered these tests were conducted with Black Powder loads, long before the advent of Smokeless Powder. I would expect the modern reproductions to be at least as strong as the originals. I'm sure they can digest any Black Powder load with no problem. But I'm not even sure if SAAMI specs exist for those old BP cartridges, so I am not sure what standard they would be proofed too.

Marshal Deadwood · July 16, 2007, 05:20:47 PM

Driftwood,,I have a '73 for my 'shootin' match' gun,,,im just considering a 'hunting rifle' (im a avid hunter) in keeping with the 'old west' spirit. (im no longer all that 'big' in hi-tech 'sniper' hunting rifles)

Just headin' back to the days when I used an ol' 94 with iron sights and ,,well,,,just enjoyed hunting. The '73 im sure would suffice for my 'woods' huntin' needs,,but,,once a guy settles for what he has,,,its no more toys,,and life as we know it ENDS ! LOL

Thank you Driftwood,,and all of ya' , for the sound advice and help.

Marshal Deadwood

Will Ketchum · July 16, 2007, 05:24:23 PM

Quote from: Driftwood Johnson on July 16, 2007, 04:37:26 PM
Howdy

Just want to make sure. You are aware the 1876 is not acceptable as a Main Match rifle, right?

The 1876 is the big brother of the 1873, and the rounds it chambers are legal for Long Range Lever Gun, but not for a Main Match rifle.

This is true for SASS but it is legal for a main match rifle in NCOWS. We had at least one used at the recent national match last month. If I remember correctly NCOWS doesn't specify "pistol caliber"

Will Ketchum

Dakota Widowmaker · July 25, 2007, 04:54:54 PM

FYI: I have no problem with folks bringing up questions about the 1866, 1873, or 1876 rifles in this area of the forum.

I might drop $$$ on an 1876 some day as well.

Major 2 · July 25, 2007, 06:50:22 PM

"once a guy settles for what he has, and its no more toys, life as we know it ENDS ! "

that sir !.... is very profound and VERY TRUE !

Books OToole · July 26, 2007, 11:54:31 AM

Quote from: Will Ketchum on July 16, 2007, 05:24:23 PM
This is true for SASS but it is legal for a main match rifle in NCOWS. We had at least one used at the recent national match last month. If I remember correctly NCOWS doesn't specify "pistol caliber"

Will Ketchum

Quickfire got special dispensation to use his '76. He had loaded special light loads for use as a main match rifle.
Once everybody determines that it won't wreck rifles*, then it may be an approved Main Match rifle.

Books

*Remember the Spence debate.