Remington consideration

[Marshal Deadwood]

If one were,,to consider the purchase of an 1858Remington, and might also consider a conversion cylinder for said revolver...in your learned opinion,,,

What Uberti 1858 would you purchase ? I gather the frame deminisons of the forged frame is somewhat larger in the cylinder 'home', frame opening,,,,,,how does this influence the Krist Convertor or the R and D conversion cylinder ?

As to what I can say,,,I 'think' personally, id perfer the Krist ?  Is there frame modification that would be necessary ?

Does one conversion cylinder have a decided advantage,,,,function and historic both,,,over the other? Or at least,,historic appearing ?

Thanks ahead of time for your advice and education on Remintons !

Marshal Deadwood

[Dusty Morningwood]

I would go with the R&D.  It is a very close copy of an original two-piece centerfire conversion cylinder for the Remington.

[SeeThirty]

I'd go with the R&D if it matters. Also, consider the R&D gives you 6 shots, while the Kirst drops you to 5.

Otherwise, if I was gonna get an Uberti 58, just go with the stock version. I'm not too fancy.

With regards to historical accuracy, it seems like Kirst has taken a tad more "creative license" with his conversion. On his website he mentions it being based on atleast 2 different period conversions. R&D is made by someone who's been doing this a long time.

Just my 2 bits worth. 

[Halfway Creek Charlie]

About 99% of theRemington Conversions with the R &D Type (recoil plate/cylinder) conversion cylinders were Rimfire. Remington Loved Rim Fire. Very, Very Few conversions of the R & D type were C.F. , however. the R & D conversion cylinder is more authentic to the time period...IMO.

The Kirst type, while copied from originals were not the norm. You might see them from time to time today, but they are few and far between. The Kirsts seem to be a copy of the Richards -Mason Colt Conversions with the single firing pin.

Remington produced the Recoil Plate/Cylinders in combinations, both S/N 'd to each other so their customers could convert their own pistols by buying the cylinder and the recoil plate as a set(much like we do at R &D). The made them Rimfire so the customer didn't have to rework the hammers of their pistols and therefore the Conversions were Drop-in's. If one bought a C.F. conversion, then the hammers had to be reworked. Is this the reasoning behind Remington reluctantly giving up Rim Fire Cartridge weapons??? I don't know, but it seems logical to me.

[Ben McCulloch]

Not sure from your note if you want to shoot C&B also or just cartridge. If the latter, Taylor now has factory gated conversions for the 58. I have a pair and love them but I wasn't ever planning on shooting C&B with them.

[Marshal Deadwood]

I perfer the cap and ball,,,thats my main interest.

But, cartridge bp is always fun too,,so,,'maybe' a conversion is in the future....

Marshal Deadwood   *who has blackpowder in his blood

[Wolfgang]

I got my first '58 as it was the cheapest "cowboy" gun available to try out single action black powder shooting, . . it was a Pietta.   I was hooked RIGHT AWAY ! . . . . reloading is so easy with extra cylinders that I have no desire to mess with cartridge conversions.  Piettas are available from Cabelas ( best price on new ones ) and extra cylinders are reasonalby prices too. You can get a pistol and several cylinders for what one cartridge conversion costs.  My  $ .03 worth.  Good shootin', . . . .

[Cimarron Lawman]

I'd go with the R&D if it matters. Also, consider the R&D gives you 6 shots, while the Kirst drops you to 5.

The Kirst .45 Colt cylinder is a 5-shot. But his .38 Special cylinder is a 6-shot. So, if you get an 1858 Remington Navy, the R&D will have no advantage in firepower. Also the Kirst drops in easier, as it has a groove in the backplate. I have trouble inserting the R&D and the stock C&B cylinder--I just can't seem to master the art. I can get it out; I just can't get it back in, even with a clockwise rotation.

On the down side, I've read that Kirsts tend to chew up soft Italian hands prematurely. If you get a Kirst, you might want to harden the hand.

[Marshal Deadwood]

I'll most likely will  just get an extra BP cylinder.

After shooting tons  of black powder thur the  years ,,,I just can not get the same love of shooting with the smokeless stuff.

Were I to go cartridge, it would still be BP. Then, I ask myself the question,,,'Why load cartridges if im going to shoot Black Powder anyways?'    I actually PERFER the standard cap and round ball.

Will save the cartridge ordeal for my open top Colts.

I know this isnt for everyone, but I sure like the cap and ball myself boys.

The Remington will be a new area for me, and hopefully it will find a warm nitch in my heart.

Marshal Deadwood   *whos favorite revolver is the 1860Army Colt

[Wolfgang]

Deadwood, . . sounds like a good plan.  A pouch and extra cylinders gives easy reloads with the Remintgons. My holsters are the "Western Style" from Cabelas at $16 each and are very good for that price. A spare parts set is handy and also available from Cabelas.  Good shootin', . . .  

My pouch ( adapted from a surplus miltary pouch ) and extra cylinders at: http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2378737340101254482UiqxSC.

[Halfway Creek Charlie]

Well I'm big on the conversions(I'm just Big...but short) I love my Original Remy Conversions, and I loved my Euroarms and Pietta and Uberti C & B/Conversions, but I really get a kick out of shooting Frontiersman at CAS with my 2nd Gen Colts, and the with the C & B cylinders in the others above.

I guess I know how you feel. It had been over 30-35 years since I shot Bp until about 2 years ago. I'm glad to be back and BTW I load BP in the cartridges too. i do have Trail Boss Smokeless for shooting indoors at the Gunshop.

If you get the conversions then you'll have the best of both worlds.