I think I really like the Open Tops

Deadeye Don · May 24, 2007, 06:48:18 AM

Quote from: Bootsie on May 24, 2007, 01:51:47 AM
Yes, she is alive and spitting lead!
Bootsie

Grrrrrr. There you go ....rubbing it in again Bootsie.

Halfway Creek Charlie · May 24, 2007, 06:22:05 PM

Roger Phillips was supposed to collaborate (write the chapters on the Remingtons) with Bruce Mc Dowell in the second edition, Then Bruce Died , so Roger Self Published his portion as the new book. I can't wait to get it. Mail is slower in Canada than it is here so it's still a couple weeks out yet.

I wonder what happened to the books mcDowell bought back? Are those the new ones for $400.00?? Or did he just buy back the rights on the ones unpublished?? don't know.
I will say this. If I didn't have this book I'd pay the $400.00 for it in a flash, because it is worth every penny to those that collect conversions. Roger's book will be the same.

Fox Creek Kid · May 25, 2007, 12:09:48 AM

A former president of the Colt Collectors Assoc. told me that the McDowell book was rife with errors on the 1871 - 71 Open Top. He was in the process of writing a book himself on the Open Top. I've always thought about his remarks every time I crack open the conversion book.

Halfway Creek Charlie · May 25, 2007, 11:58:45 AM

There's a McDowells book on GB right now started at $250.00 brand new. If I hadn't just bought that 2 2nd Gen Colt I'd buy it just to have.
I too would like to kow What the "Rife with Error's " are, From what I have read, and I have studied that book on every model conversion I have ever bought, There could be some small things and maybe Bruce said Armory when in fact the Armory was Eli Whitney AFactory or "Armory". A few Remingtons listed as Factory may be indeed Whitney Armory and vice versa, but as to glaring error's...that is questionable.

bobwill · May 30, 2007, 08:54:41 PM

Well, I think I've pretty much settled on a Cimarron Richards-Mason 1860 8" barrel in .38 caliber. Yeah, the navy would be the historically correct chambering for that caliber; but, I like the look of the Army's cylinder.

Dusty Morningwood · May 30, 2007, 09:58:51 PM

Quote from: bobwill on May 30, 2007, 08:54:41 PM
Well, I think I've pretty much settled on a Cimarron Richards-Mason 1860 8" barrel in .38 caliber. Yeah, the navy would be the historically correct chambering for that caliber; but, I like the look of the Army's cylinder.

Blasphemy!!

Nah, I'm just kiddin'. They're all good.

Abilene · May 31, 2007, 08:45:55 AM

Bobwill, the R-M 1860 is not made in .38. You can like the looks of it all you want, but you'll have to get an 1851 R-M if you want .38. Now, if you want to wait until the Richards Transition model becomes available, I believe you can get that one in .38 with the rebated cylinder.

Deadeye Don · May 31, 2007, 08:55:54 AM

Quote from: Abilene on May 31, 2007, 08:45:55 AM
Bobwill, the R-M 1860 is not made in .38. You can like the looks of it all you want, but you'll have to get an 1851 R-M if you want .38. Now, if you want to wait until the Richards Transition model becomes available, I believe you can get that one in .38 with the rebated cylinder.

And WAIT is the key word with regards to the Richards Transition model.

bobwill · May 31, 2007, 10:54:15 AM

Quote from: Abilene on May 31, 2007, 08:45:55 AM
Bobwill, the R-M 1860 is not made in .38. You can like the looks of it all you want, but you'll have to get an 1851 R-M if you want .38. Now, if you want to wait until the Richards Transition model becomes available, I believe you can get that one in .38 with the rebated cylinder.

Cimarron lists it on their website
CA9030
$492.70 .38 Special 8" Case Hardened 1 Piece Walnut Standard Blue
Charcoal Blue
http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/Conversions/60-R-MConvOpener.htm#
http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/Conversions/Options/Opt-CA930-60R-MArmyConv.htm

Abilene · June 04, 2007, 12:28:00 PM

Bobwill,
I stand corrected. The .38 1860 R-M appears to be a new addition to the line. It was not on previous inventory lists but I see the current list has it (zero in stock) as well as now being listed on their website, so that would indicate that they intend to carry it. Of course, that gets us back to waiting on Uberti. Just remember, patience is a virtue.

bobwill · June 04, 2007, 02:20:24 PM

Well, I've started thinking about going with a cheap ball & cap revolver to see if it gets the lust out of my system.
The only problem is, I'd need to drive like 50 miles to get to a range where I could shoot it.

Major 2 · June 04, 2007, 02:42:57 PM

Quote from: Seth Hawkins on June 04, 2007, 01:47:31 PM
Also remember, "Patience is a virtue" is something those who aren't waiting for something say.

Just ask the guys waiting on the Richards Type II how virtuous they feel.

virtuous... I so virtuous... I could just **** just been 16 months that's all

bobwill · June 05, 2007, 11:59:39 AM

New Question, anybody know anything about this http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,4427.htm?
They identify it as a Cimarron Uberti. I assume that that means that it is a Cimarron that was made by Uberti. At $236 it seems like it would be a good deal on an Uberti, and a truly awesome deal on a Cimarron.

Major 2 · June 05, 2007, 12:08:45 PM

Quote from: bobwill on June 05, 2007, 11:59:39 AM
New Question, anybody know anything about this http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,4427.htm?
They identify it as a Cimarron Uberti. I assume that that means that it is a Cimarron that was made by Uberti. At $236 it seems like it would be a good deal on an Uberti, and a truly awesome deal on a Cimarron.

That about right , give or take... what with the Euro valuation these days, you can expect it to go up again too.

Yes it's a Uberti imported by Cimarron sold by Buffalo Arms....

Flint · June 06, 2007, 11:42:04 AM

bobwill, I have to drive almost 80 miles to shoot CAS, most of which has moved recently to a range near Tombstone, AZ. The Dept of Fish & Game recently shut down some ranges for "safety" reasons. I can shoot closer in the local permitted areas, or indoor ranges in Tucson, but I prefer CAS for pure fun. A practice or plinking session in the canyon uses up far more ammo than a match, as well, but there are times when it's fun to shoot the new fangled autos and such......

When I moved here to Arizona, I expected more ranges closer to about anywhere you happen to be, but there ain't. There are more ranges, closer to wherever you might happen to be in Southern California, but that doesn't make the People's Republik of Kalifornia worth living in anymore. The inmates are running the asylum in Sacramento.

bobwill · June 06, 2007, 02:37:01 PM

Now, I'm thinking Richards Mason 1851 with a 7-1/2" barrel, and since I might get into CAS, getting a ball and cap 1851. That way I'd have two guns of approximately the same handling characteristics and it might even be believable that somebody would have that set up in the 19th century. And, let's face it, the 1851 was the gun that Wild Bill used.

I figure there must have been some reason he picked the 1851 over the 1861, as according to what I read he got his '51s around the end of the Civil War.

Abilene · June 06, 2007, 11:14:02 PM

Bobwill,
Just FYI, I was at Cimarron today and saw the list of what's coming on the next boat (3-4 weeks) and there were a few .38 spcl 1860 R-M's on the list. I think they were 8". Don't know if they already have backorders for those. Also, you mentioned wanting a '51 R-M with 7 1/2" barrel. They have been out of that barrel length for a while but there are a number of those on the shipment as well.

Enjoy!