Ya snooze ya loose i guess

[Marshal Deadwood]

I let the '62 second generaton pass...I see its gone now.
However,,if any ya boys see a second gen '60 Army OR a second gen '62 Police with 5 1/2 barrel,,,new,,or like new...and you are not interested yourself, id appreciate ya letting me know. I might be able to swing it,,,,
I like my Taylors/Uberti '60s,,but am thinking,,if I can pick up a 2nd gen Colt at some point in time,,have some nice ivories put on it...or the PP even,,would make a super nice 'keepin' gun.

I saw a third gen '60s fairly reasonable,,with extra fluted cylinder,,but,,,am wee bit hesitant,,,,,,what say yall ? What would be reasonable price on a third gen with extra fluted cylinder ?

Marshal Deadwood

[Long Johns Wolf]

FWIW and no offence intended: the closest thing to a 1st generation Colt 1860 Army is probably not a 2nd generation but a Belgian Centaur/Centennial 1860/1960 Army. That's an officially licensed re-issue from an 1853 licensing deal between Sam Colt and Union d'Armes of Liege/Belgium. This company re-started production of Armies 1960, hence the name "New Model Army 1960", on the old machinery, til somewhere in the 1970s. A couple of thousands were imported into the US during the 1960's under the Centennial TM. They are sold today in the "used guns" market and are highly undervalued from a collector's point of view, IMHO.
Collector's Firearms of Houston are offering one with stock on their homepage at $399,00.
If you are interested in further background info regarding the interesting story of these 1860's/1960's you may want to check the forums of www.thefiringline.com, Harley Nolden's section.
Bootsie

[afa]

Hello,

... ,,if any ya boys see a second gen '60 Army OR a second gen '62 Police with 5 1/2 barrel,,,new,,or like new...

I like my Taylors/Uberti '60s,,but am thinking,,if I can pick up a 2nd gen Colt at some point in time,,have some nice ivories put on it...or the PP even,,would make a super nice 'keepin' gun.

I saw a third gen '60s fairly reasonable,,with extra fluted cylinder,,but,,,am wee bit hesitant,,,,,,what say yall ? What would be reasonable price on a third gen with extra fluted cylinder ?

Marshal Deadwood

don´t expect too much from Colt Blackpowder guns ... usually they are quite nice, especially concerning the case colors and blueing and of course there always is this magical "Colt Address" on the barrel and "Colts Patent" on the frame (I really like these features  ) but notwithstandig they are "Clones" of rather smokey origin. To date nobody could confirm which italian maker definitely contributed the parts ... and nobody could confirm that they aren´t as "soft" as ... well, some other BP guns .

I´m pleased with my 2nd generation 51 Navies of early production, but the 1860 Army has his (minor) faults ... barrel is a little bit overpolished with rounded off edges and the wood to metal fit isn´t as perfect so you would hold your breath about.

Signature Series or 3rd generation guns MAY(!) be worse ... I´ve seen some with the cylinder scene partly polished away (or poorly rolled on ?) with one half of the cylinder just plain ... another one with the barrel address just barely visible.  Unfortunately these guns had really breathtaking case-colors whereas the better polished & fitted guns had horrible colors.

So it´s really up to you what may be a "reasonable price" FOR YOU ...

The Centaure at Collectors Firearms seems to be quite nice but there is a noticeable gap between frame & triggerguard ... maybe just a matter of tightening the screws but the triggerguard also may be slightly bent (just before the trigger).

Andreas Prinz

[Marshal Deadwood]

Bootsie,,,pard,,,could you give me a link to look at the one on Collectors Firearms ?

I must be searching the wrong pages,,or typeing in the wrong search words,,,but I couldnt find it.

Id be most interested in taking a look sir.

Thank you.

Marshal Deadwood

[Long Johns Wolf]

Seth, you beat me on the time zone! Thanks for providing the link to Collector's Firearms, Houston.
One general remark regarding Centaurs/Centennial Colts 1860 Models: those of 1960s production are top but some of late 1970s production 1860/1960 Armies show "varying" degrees of quality to put is mildly.
Bootsie

[Marshal Deadwood]

Bootsie, Seth,,thanks guys....

I see the space between the brass trigger guard and the frame,, gives me pause there...otherwise,,,it looks to be solid.

And,,,would the shoulder stock fit 'other' '60s Armys ?  I would 'think' so,,,but,,,want to kinda get ya'lls opinion on this.

Money wise, dont seem like a bad deal,,,if the quality is there on this paticular one.

On a side note,,,,I 'might'  just be the owner of a 1860 Army, manufactured in 1864, with Colt pedigree, this afternoon,,,and,,AND,,a model 3 Schofield, 45schofield calibre, 7in barrel.,, from the S and W speciality shop,,,made in 2000,,unfired in box, with a floral slim jim El Paso Saddlery holster.

We shall see.  I shall be parting with a paticular fine flintlock,,,so it wont be without sacrifice if I DO trade.

Marshal Deadwood   *still looking for a good replica to have some enhancement applied

[Long Johns Wolf]

Marshal Deadwood: Centaurs got 3 screw frames cut for shoulder stock, like the one at Collector's Firearms. Considering that I would have expected a different kind of stock Centaur...
Based on the pics the stock looks to me like a Pietta. If that assumption is correct it should fit Pietta 1860s and with some minor additional work Ubertis and 3rd generations Colt.
Regarding the space between the brass trigger guard and the frame: from my past experience Collector's are pretty helpful and will surely let you know if it is the screws or something.
Bootsie