Uberti blackpowder and OT frames

[Marshal Deadwood]

Are Uberti blackpowder , conversion and OT frames forged or cast?
How do the compare to modern USFA or Colt,,,same quality,,? Different ? some forged, some not ?
Im curious here,,iv had horrible luck with getting a good '60 Army,,sent them back for replacement three times now.....
outta get one back this week maybe,,,i dont hold out much hope of getting crap i want...

Marshal Deadwood,,,,*who wonders why someone dont make a QUALITY firearm anymore,,if ya want something other than a USFA SAA....

[Dusty Morningwood]

i dont hold out much hope of getting crap i want...

Maybe if you didn't want crap, they would send you something good!   

[Fox Creek Kid]

other than a USFA SAA....

That's why Uberti costs approx. $400 & USFA over a grand. 

[Deadeye Don]

You guys arent trying to suggest that with guns as with alot of other earthly possessions,  that you get what you pay for??? 

USFA! USFA!  ra ra sis boom ba.   Safe shooting.  Deadeye.

[Marshal Deadwood]

Well, just talk ol' USFA into making me a damn '60 Army and ill buy one. You got a better sourse than Cimarron or Taylors for petes sake dont keep it a secret.
And, is the price of a '60 Army SUPPOSE to fetch me a piece of shit just cause you paid 1000 for you hi grade colt look alike ?

Dont hand me the idea I have to settle...that aint what the dealer says,,,if he said,,,this prices buys you junk, well buy god,id not have a complaint. Would I ?

Marshal  Deadwood

[Flint]

USFA was making cap & ball guns, but quit.  Probably didn't sell well enough.

[Fox Creek Kid]

Please tell us why you had to send back three '60 Armies, or one three times(?). Whether the frames are cast or forged is really a moot point. Rugers are cast. 

[Major 2]

USFA was making cap & ball guns, but quit.  Probably didn't sell well enough.

yep ... made by Uberti & Imported by them and US finished by Dave Anderson ....I have one.... it was a Prototype for the 93 Shot Show.

Marshal Deadwood if your new third time is the charm still does not suit you...

you have a choice .... Find a 2 Gen Black Powder 1860 Colt  #1300 ( By the way these used Uberti parts too )
but were assembled for Colt at the Iver Johnson Factory. I have a 30 year old BP series 1860 Colt  and another that's 24 & and a 51 Navy that's 27 ....  the 30 year old sports a Kenny Howell Conversion Cylinder....

Or Contact Make Harvey or Charles Hudson @ Cimarron and see if they offer the US Finish on their Uberti 1860.

[Halfway Creek Charlie]

I hope the Second Gen (C series) is as good as yours' Major2

I just bought a 1851 Navy 2nd Gen C series.  From the serial number it was made in late 1971 or 1972. S/N 812X Never fired or turned. with a presentation box and accourtements (not Colt I believe)
I love the squareback TG. I want a pair of them.

1300...? Something to do with being an 1860?? I know about the 1851 Navy 1100 series C and F. What is the 1300 series?

[Fox Creek Kid]

This may help, Charlie:  http://www.gunsandammomag.com/ga_handguns/cap_ball/

[Halfway Creek Charlie]

Read it, copied and printed it out. I guess that I was just looking at the 1851 Navy's as that was what  I was  interested in.

I also have an online copy (subscription) to the "Blue Book of Gun Values and the companion "Blue Book of Modern Black Powder Guns". I just didn't read about anything other than the Navy's which are the "C' and "F" series and their s/n's and model Numbers
(1100)

[Marshal Deadwood]

sorry,,been offline a couple days..
ii let my frustrations boil over on that'60 army,,
the deal is,,
first one,,,finally got the barrel off with extreme furstration,,would NOT go back together,,clyinder rod slot and barrel slot were wayy out of line.
seond one..the loading rod was wayyy messed up,,wouldnt lilne directily with chamber,,,
third one,,get THIS,,,had a ring cut THUR the riflings in a circle about half way down the barrel ?

Id LOVE to find me a Colt second gen..im looking for one now,,,and forget the entire uberti fisaco.

got any suggestions?
I want a '62 pocket poliece but am gunshy (pun) about another totally italian gun.

At least a second gen would have went thur Colt QC and MIGHT be better.

Marshal Deadwood   *frustrated to death

[Halfway Creek Charlie]

Not only that, but the early 2nd Gen's were assembled from castings at the Colt Factory, and finished there, so they may be Uberti castings, but they were finished and built here in the good old U S Of A. Got one coming that is a 4 digit S/N 1851 first Model (square back TG)unfired, in presentation case with the goodies, but the goodies are not colt. Looking for it's mate.

I prefer the C series, tho the F series were made in the old Iver Johnson building and some of the parts were US made and then Q C'd by Colt.

[afa]

Hello,

ii let my frustrations boil over on that'60 army,,
the deal is,,
first one,,,finally got the barrel off with extreme furstration,,would NOT go back together,,clyinder rod slot and barrel slot were wayy out of line.
seond one..the loading rod was wayyy messed up,,wouldnt lilne directily with chamber,,,
third one,,get THIS,,,had a ring cut THUR the riflings in a circle about half way down the barrel ?

Id LOVE to find me a Colt second gen..im looking for one now,,,and forget the entire uberti fisaco.

got any suggestions?

Marshal Deadwood   *frustrated to death

the very best 1860 Army was built in the 60´s from "Centaure" in Begium.
As far as I know they were sold in the USA under the label "Centennial Army 1860-1960" by Centennial Arms Corporation. 
http://bprevolvers.tripod.com/1860ArmyCentennialArmsBox.html

I have found no picture online so I took a photo of my own gun ... it´s the one with 3 screw frame. The other gun is a 2nd generation Colt 1860 with fluted cylinder.

http://freenet-homepage.de/afaprinz/1860-Army.jpg

The Colt is a really fine gun ... the Centaure is just superior with sharper edges and better fit & finish. The only drawback is the smooth cylinder without the roll-engraving.

The Centaure was available in variations ... standart & fluted cylinder, standart & short barrel, blue/c-case & plain stainless-steel-look(!), engraved ...

In the early 70´s quality dropped considerably and the company finally folded around 1973. Although my gun is of 1972 manufacture and the tolerances of the bore are quite "generous", the guns accuracy has match precision.

Andreas Prinz

[Marshal Deadwood]

Thoes are two fine looking '60s !
I found one a gentleman has agreed to part with, NIB, Colt second gen.,,,and hes even offereded to let me inspect it ....of course without fireing it,, but, iv seen pictures of it and its a nice one. And hes reasonable...so, im gonna take him up on his offer

I aint saying all Taylors or Cimarron Ubertis are bad,,,iv got a couple fine SAAs and an OT from them,,,

but if I aint had the dangdest luck with the '60,,,and I suppose cause thats my favorite gun,,,,,lol,,,I think ol' Sam hit his high point in the percuss witht he '60army or perhaps the '61 Navy,,,I just like the bigger bore.

Thanks for the pictures,,,awesome guns sir

Marshal Deadwood

[Major 2]

Charlie

that was the Model # .... I misplaced the original box for 30 years old gun years ago but I recall that was the style # for 1860's.


I handled a few of those Belgian guns imported by Centennial Arms , they were in the Prop Room at Warner Bros.
I am supprised you have had quality problems X 3 with the Uberti 1860...
I have handled many and not seen the issues you describe 

 

[Halfway Creek Charlie]

Major2,
Yep i figured it out after I bought a online Sub to theBlue Book of Modern Blackpowder Guns.
I should have my 4 Digit 2nd Gen '51 Navy here by week's end next week.
I will be looking for a 4 digit to be it's mate later down the road.

[Jubel]

Might be I'm just lucky, but I haven't had a problem with any of my Uberti's great quality on all 4 of them which includes 1, 1858 NMA and 3 open tops. My Piettas are a ditto to the Uberti's of course these little one owner's have but a thousand rounds pushed through each of them, (hardly used at all) all cowboy loads of course. Except my 1860 I found out I had been shooting +P equivelent BP loads in my 1860 conversion so I've stopped that. It's still tight and accurate, I purchased all of mine at gun shows for the most part but 2 of them were from Taylor's and company all top quality by any standards.