USFA Pistol for NCOWS members

[Fox Creek Kid]

Really! I was ready to order at $1300. $1900 I will have to reevaluate.

Ditto that squared!! 

Maybe someone needs to point out to Banjoman that the "audience" is leaving the theater before the band has begun. 

[Irish Dave]

Well, certainly I wish them the best on their new endeavour as I would any US arms maker who is looking at products appealing to our time period. USFA is a fine company and I truly hope they succeed.

On the other hand, I have to say I believe things are getting quite remarkably out of hand when I hear reports such as this.
One has to assume that successful businessmen have substantial knowledge of the market, and lord knows they're smarter than I am about such things, but this certainly makes me wonder.

I'm sure this new Remmy will be an extremely fine piece of craftsmanship. But one must also believe that were there a substantial market for a nearly $2,000 '75, that perhaps Harford Armory would still be actively marketing them on their own. At that price one could purchase what... four of the Ubertis? There is no doubt these will be better and higher quality items than the Italian ones... but four times better Hard for this ol' country boy to imagine. This would have to qualify as one of the most  (if not the most) expensive production revolvers on the market today -- certainly true in the cowboy market. How many folks will pay that fee for a "reproduction" no matter how wonderful it is? I think that remains to be seen. This may be God's way of telling us all we're making too damn much money. 

I hope their market is strong and that they are successful in selling many, many of these $1,900 revolvers, but a little voice in my head is telling me "Don't hold your breath." Certainly quality is expensive and USFA produces quality, but at what point it becomes primarily conspicuous consumption is something to consider.

[Fox Creek Kid]

Just wait, I.D. In a year you will be able to buy one for $1000 at the CDNN blowout clearance after it flops at $1899!! 

[French Jack]

Perhaps the fly in the soup is Remington.  The press release implied that Remington is having the guns produced for THEM, and imply that the marketing, etc., will be done by them (Remington).  It spoke of the manufacturing as a joint venture with USFA.  This would lead me to surmise, perhaps incorrectly, that Remington is setting the price and doing the marketing, perhaps like their ill-fated custom shop remake of the Rolling Block.  Who knows??  I do know that all of the imports have taken a substantial jump in price the beginning of this year.  The Beretta Laramie is MSRP at nearly $1300 for the blue version-- quite a hike from last year.  Cabela's Millenium is $350 at last look. 
Looks like the days of the low priced imports/clones is fading into the sunset.

[Deadeye Don]

Another problem with the pricing is that now you have two companies that have to make a profit on these guns which will automatically increase the cost passed on to the consumer.  When USFA makes their own product and doesnt have to fork over a chunk of the profit to another company they are able to keep the guns under better pricing control.   Daves comment about questioning whether these guns will be 4 times better than a Uberti is a good one and one that we will all have to come to terms with in deciding if we want to spend the 2K.   Personally,  I think I may wish to purchase an original of something for 2k or a bit more than to pay that price for a reproduction.  I have been eyeing some of the 1860 armies for sale for my collection.  Regards.  Don

[Fox Creek Kid]

Perhaps the fly in the soup is Remington.

I thought that as well, French Jack. The reason also is that a local dealer informed me of a big price increase across the board on Remington products at the first of the year, coupled with the fact that the new owner of Remington, Cerberus Capital Management, is..................well, I'll let you decide. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus_Capital_Management

[Irish Dave]

French Jack:

You're absolutely right about the Rolling Block reissue .....and we all know how that turned out. 
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As for the Laramie, I agree that the MSRP is absolutely ridiculous and will doom this fine gun if they're not careful. I fear that some genius at Beretta will someday look around the shop and say "Gee, I just can't understand why these didn't sell" -- and discontinue them.

On the other hand, if you keep your eyes peeled, they can still be had new (in blue) for $800-$900.

[French Jack]

I am sure that Remington's response to that will be to state that they will not be a Reproduction, they will be a Re-issue of a model previously manufactured-- vis-a-vis S&W.  The fact that it will not be done in house by Remington is a moot point.  The roll stamping on the barrel will read: E. Remington and Sons., etc. etc. 
I surmise that this appears to them as "found" money.

[Fox Creek Kid]

F. Jack, I'd say you're dead on there.    With the devil in the details maybe USFA can make a limited run with the E. Remington & Sons marking for $1899.00 & then a run w/o markings for $1299.00!! 

[Deadeye Don]

F. Jack, I'd say you're dead on there.    With the devil in the details maybe USFA can make a limited run with the E. Remington & Sons marking for $1899.00 & then a run w/o markings for $1299.00!! 

There is wishful thinking for you.

[Rowdy Fulcher]

Easy Cowboys
Let's see what them Remington's are selling for in about a year ?Remember there the new toy on the block ,  so give them time .
I can't wait to see the 1873 Winchester ?  The way it looks I better start saving my Lunch money .

[Fox Creek Kid]

I can't wait to see the 1873 Winchester ?

What '73 Winchester? 

[Black Powder]

I'm no financial advisor, but we should all expect the Italian replicas to go up in price because of the decline in the US dollar.  We're giving them 75 cents now that used to be 90 cents, figuratively speaking.

If USFA has a profit model that says they gotta recoup their investment in x amount of time and therefore the computer says the selling price is $1899, well, I understand.  On the other hand, a bit of human intervention may suggest a different way of allocating their costs or recognizing the market and value of the customer.

We all want to see this fine company succeed, which is why we're entitled to gripe!  We have a vested interest in their success.  I'd rather not enter the rarified air of the $2000 gun and fund their success, if they'd run the numbers again and determine the correct answer was, oh, say around $1200.

BP

[Marshal Will Wingam]

At $1200/ea, I was considering a pair of them. At $1900/ea, they don't look so appealing. I can get 11 Ubertis for the same price. Another couple hundred and I could get a case of them, shoot them until they get worn out then dig out another pair. I think I can do that for the rest of my life on that one purchase and have some left over to leave to someone. There's no doubt going to be a big difference of quality, but I will do just fine with second best. Boy, my Ubertis sure look nice all of the sudden.

[sundance44`s]

If I was going to spend 1,899.00 for one of their guns it would be the USFA  John Wayne Redriver Colt Peacemaker ..same price ..
I`ve been wanting an American made for a long time ...But USFA better rethink the price .. Their Colt single action is 975.00 and they have 2 priced under that ..the Cowboy and Rodeo... I fondled the Uberti 1860 Henry at 1,000 for 5 years before I turned loose of the money for it .I think after the shot show we`ll all know the price ..if it`s what we are hearing I`ll go back to eating a steak when I want one ..and buy Uberti . I`ve been very happy with the Uberti Colt I have .

[Outrider #72622]

I been waiting a long time for this boys and this just breaks my heart.  I'm with Marshal Wingam.  I was gonna go the $1,200-$1,300 each range, but $1,900......no way!  I just can't justify it in my mind.

[Deadeye Don]

Well follow this link and you may be able to see the Remington of your dreams on camera.

http://www.downrange.tv/shotshow2008/?p=9

[sundance44`s]

I suppose the question is will USFA be makeing safe queens for the collector in us ? or serious well made shooters for the cowboy action in us that buys our pistols in pairs .

[Steel Horse Bailey]

I suppose the question is will USFA be makeing safe queens for the collector in us ? or serious well made shooters for the cowboy action in us that buys our pistols in pairs .

Sundance and all y'all, Howdy!

Without the benefit of actually OWNING a fine USFA pistol, I'll bet they're shooters ... that happen to be/will be collector's items, if so desired!

That's just my opinion based on how the guns are that are owned by my friends, and having played around with one (a Rodeo) back when I worked at Popguns a few years back.  I didn't care for the finish (or lack of it) but it sure was sweet!  And it's the BUDGET model! (And perhaps biggest seller.  )

[Fox Creek Kid]

USFA intros Forehand & Wadsworth Frontier .44 at Shot Show:

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,18974.0.html