Pocket Pistol Question

[Trap]

  M.M.  what exactly is a Manhattan conversion? I cannot locate it in Flayderman's

[French Jack]

I am curious as well about the Manhatten conversion-- is that what the cap shield installed on the recoil shield to prevent cap fragments from falling into the hammer slot is called?  I am curious about them, if that is what you are referring to-- I have not been able to find documentation of them beiing done.  I would be interested in some evidence that they were used before the late 1900's.

[Major Matt Lewis]

I am curious as well about the Manhatten conversion-- is that what the cap shield installed on the recoil shield to prevent cap fragments from falling into the hammer slot is called?  I am curious about them, if that is what you are referring to-- I have not been able to find documentation of them beiing done.  I would be interested in some evidence that they were used before the late 1900's.

From my understanding, that's exactly what it is, but the one thing I am sure of, it is distinctly different from a Broncs Cheer....

[Black River Smith]

Trap and French Jack,

For clarification of your question concerning the Manhattan conversion / Modification:


"""A Manhattan Mod (AKA cap guard) is a thin metal shield silverd soldered into the frame of a Colt open top that has a narrow groove in it. The hammer is then machined to match. Makes them look like a Remington or ROA set up. You can still get cap jams with the Manhattan conversion and I would say there would be no comparison to an arrangement that uses shotgun primers."""

Taken from a secondary source.

[Major Matt Lewis]

Trap and French Jack,

For clarification of your question concerning the Manhattan conversion / Modification:


"""A Manhattan Mod (AKA cap guard) is a thin metal shield silverd soldered into the frame of a Colt open top that has a narrow groove in it. The hammer is then machined to match. Makes them look like a Remington or ROA set up. You can still get cap jams with the Manhattan conversion and I would say there would be no comparison to an arrangement that uses shotgun primers."""

Taken from a secondary source.

So, let me get this straight....I could use shotgun primers and be able to save the cost of the MC?  Put shotgun primers on the nipples right?

[Trap]

  Near as I can tell neither is 19th C. or NCOWS legal

[Frenchie]

Maybe a pocket pistol is like art or pornography; I can't describe it to you, but I know one when I see it?

Okay, sorry, I'll shut up now... 

[Black River Smith]

Lets not squabble symantics here Major Matt, OK.  As I stated, it was copied/taken from a secondary source in its entirty.  It was not editted for NCOWS presentation.  Those are not my words and don't insinuate that they are.  Nor do they represent NCOWS by-laws since they come from a secondary source.  That is why the statement (Taken from a secondary source) was added, so that it would not be construed as an NCOWS statement.  I found it and presented it here for clarification of a question.  There is no legal/by-laws aspect to the offering of this information for defining what a Manhattan Mod would look like.  I do not know why the individual had that last line in his statement, other than comparision to other forms of ignitions.  That was not significant to the information being presented to Trap or French Jack...............

[St. George]

The so-called 'Manhattan Conversion' is what it is - a very modern, gamer modification that's seen in a different organization than NCOWS.

Vaya,

Scouts Out!

[Major Matt Lewis]

The Manhatten Conversion not NCOWS legal!  Why I never....I tell you what I am going to...I am getting really mad...It's not far....

No worries.  If the Manhatten Conversion is Persona Non Grata, I can always just shoot my 1860 Army pistols....Seems like a pretty easy solution.

[French Jack]

Matt-- the Armies sound like a good choice. 

[River City John]

Major,
careful tweaking by matching caps size to nipple brand, and cutting back on powder used (don't need to go full chamber just to get the ball out to the distances we normally shoot at) will go a long way in eliminating the caps in the works glitch.

Save your money on that modification and put them into proper nipples and a different flask spout to fine tune that Army/Navy revolver.

RCJ

[Rowdy Fulcher]

Trap
Will we be shooting the Pocket pistol as a side Match weapon or will it be part of the Main Match .The Crab Orchard Cowboys are running the side Matches on Thursday and we have a Stage for the pocket pistol we will also do the Crowd pleaser the T-Rex match and the 1876 Winchester will be a legal long gun .

[Books OToole]

Rowdy;

How about a 1886 in .45-70?

Books

[French Jack]

It would appear at this point that the pocket pistol will be mostly a side match item.  We very likely will set the stages to either utilize a main match pistol, or will stage a pocket pistol if needed.  We don't look for a great deal of use outside of a side match for pocket pistol.  Not having any scenarios submitted yet, it's an easy call at this point.  We still have that "Primo Pocket Pistol Target", Tiny, and he begs for something unusual in stage design.     ;P

[Major Matt Lewis]

Now that's news to my liking.  Have to say I am not a big fan of the Pocket Pistol in a main match....

[Rowdy Fulcher]

Books
I don't see a problem with the 86 as long as we don't damage the targets .the 76 or 86 have no advantage other than over kill . Last year I used my Yellowboy in 45colt and it did a great job .

[Rowdy Fulcher]

Now that's news to my liking.  Have to say I am not a big fan of the Pocket Pistol in a main match....

I'm with the Major on pocket pistols not all shooters have them . And the Shooters who do can shoot them in the sidematch on Thursday ?