my new 58 Armies

[Bristow Kid]

My new Pietta  Remington 58 Army .44's.  I like them in the white like they are.  Think I will leave them that way.

[Presidio]

Them there Remi's are sure nice lookin', Bristow !  I got a set muhself with 5 1/2 brls that came blued - but, I did 'em down inta the white and polished 'em up with a chrome polish.  They shine like a morning star now.

Here's a pic of "Pride & Joy":  This is before I polished 'em up some and they also have the R&D Drop-In conversions.

[Bristow Kid]

What brand or style of capper works best for my Remingtons?

Presidio  them are some nice looking Remmies.

[sundance44`s]

Nice lookin pair there KId ...I sure like the looks in the white too ..I have a front stuffer in the white ..its my favorite too . AS far as cappers ..no capper will work on the remmies with out some fitting ..in fact alot of fitting ...on my remmies i took the nipples out and opened up the recess infront of the nipples with my dremel tool and a 1/2 sanding drum so i could use any capper ..instead of trying to grind a capper down to fit in the small recess .Makes capping with fingers real easy too if ya have big fingers .Another thing about the PIetta remmies i like ..if you ever want or need another cylinder ..Cabelas sells them for 34 bucks ..
The Ubertis will run ya 54 bucks .so i worked on my Uberti cylinder last ..

[Presidio]

Bristow, thanks fer the compliment, too!  Also, I've used a straight line capper sized for #10's.  It's capacity was 10 rounds.  I did have to trim the brass end jest a bit so it would fit the cylinder notches okay.  I just used a dremel to shape it the way I wanted.  I kept 3 of them in muh vest pocket all the time.  That was good for six stages and a just in case re-cap on the clock.

Just so ya know - a "Snail" capper just won't fit a Remi worth a hoot - been there and done with that.  Had to buy a set of '51 Navies just so I could find a use fer the snail capper .

[Silver Creek Slim]

Nice pistols, pards.
I usually take the cylinder out to cap. Much easier.

Slim

[Marshal Will Wingam]

Those are some fine pistolas, pards. I've been thinking about a pair of stainless ones, myself. Plenty of time for that, though. Mine are working fine and I don't want another project yet. Let's see, where was I.....

Ooooooooooooooooommmmmmm.

I really don't need another pair of pistols.

Ooooooooooooooooommmmmmm.

[Bull Schmitt]

Silver Creek Slim,

Do I understand you correctly? You cap the cylinder and then place it in the revolver? If the chambers are already loaded this is NOT a safe practice. If a cap is accidently struck against the frame or if the cylinder is accidently dropped the results could be fatal. If the cylinder is empty I also don't recommend loading powder and ball into a capped cylinder already in the revolver.

Maybe I am misunderstanding your procedure.

[Silver Creek Slim]

Bull Schmitt,
I see your point on not being too safe, but it seemed to me easier to cap with the cylinder removed. I might have to revisit the safety of this practice. Thanks.

Slim

[Presidio]

Silver Creek Slim,

Do I understand you correctly? You cap the cylinder and then place it in the revolver? If the chambers are already loaded this is NOT a safe practice. If a cap is accidently struck against the frame or if the cylinder is accidently dropped the results could be fatal. If the cylinder is empty I also don't recommend loading powder and ball into a capped cylinder already in the revolver.

Maybe I am misunderstanding your procedure.

Bull, I agree with ya' on capping a loaded cylinder outta the gun - make no mistake there.  But, you and Slim outta have a look at this link that I got here for Out Of Battery discharges.  They're using both Remingtons and Open Tops in this test.

http://www.brimstonepistoleros.com/capping.html

Y'all have some fun now !!!

[Cincinnati Slim]

Howdy All,

Very interesting link. I've seen some old home-made Colt "pepperboxes" where somebody took the barrel off and mounted the cylinder alone on the arbor. This looks scary but is really pretty useless. If the balls are leaving the bare chambers at less than 200feet per second you would be better off THROWING THE GUN at yer opponent. What was the energy figure, 7 foot pounds !!?.

I load and cap my cylinders at the bench with a Powder Inc. cylinder loader and a piece of wood dowel to seat the caps.

If I do set a cap off (and I never have) the ball will harmlessly impact the loading bench. Might be startling but , if you got your eye protection in place, not dangerous. As for setting the capped and loaded cylinder off while inserting it into the revolver...
Hmmm, possible but not probable. If the caps are seated they are recessed in both the Colt and Remmie design. I do slip the cylinders in while at the firing position pointing downrange. I guess you could drop the cylinder on a nail and somehow make it go BANG. It would have to land just right to ignite the cap...kinda far fetched if'n ya ask me !

Main thing is to find the right cap brand/size/nipple combo. Should slip on pretty easy but be firm enough not to fall off from recoil.

That's the most fiddly frustrating thing about shootin' these 'ol wheelguns. Once ya get that figured out, all is JOY !

Happy Trails

Cincinnati Slim

[Be-A-triss Bandit]

Very interesting test.  However, they modified the nipple and used cannon fuse instead of a cap, so it isn't truly representative.  It might make absolutely no difference in the outcome.  The thing is, they didn't replicate the actual condition that they intended.

[Presidio]

Your right - it wouldn't have made any difference in the results.   Using a fuse is more preferable than having a finger too close by or sticking a match to a unmodified nipple.

Powder would of ignited at same rate of combustion and force...IMHO.

[Be-A-triss Bandit]

Maybe I'm nitpicking about the cannon fuse.  They did do a good job.
It's nice to see someone is making an effort to test things safely to provide data rather than conjecturing.  I appreciate the effort they put out.

[Presidio]

Sorry, Bristow!  Didn't mean fer us ta' hijack yer thread on these beautiful Remmie's of yours!  When are ya' gonna put 'em ta' work!  What kinda loads are ya' plannin' on?

Really!   Inquiring minds wanna know!

[Bristow Kid]

Thanks y'all for the compliments and advice.  I am a safety kind of guy especially with firearms.  So I will proably first try and modifiy a capper.  Then the cylindars if I need to. 

Presidio  I plan on putting them to work soon.  Since I live in Iowa and my CAS season is over it'll just be paper punching and waiting till spring.  As for loads I am not to sure on powder amounts but will be using .454 round balls and #10 Remington caps.  Might even try and bag my deer with them this year but I doubt it.  Not enough time before season to get the feel of them. 

[sundance44`s]

Only problem with the inline cappers that might be made to work ...is they only hold 10 caps and it takes longer to load the dang capper then it would take to load a cylinder with yer fingers .. I use a snail type capper than holds 100 caps with the cylinders nipple recess U shaped ..sure makes it easy on the target practice days when i shoot 100 times ... between the snail capper and the good cylinder loading stand ...loading and shooting a remmie can be a breeze.
Kid i think if you can find them the remington #10 caps will work perfect on the Pietta remmie , no fuss no muss on mine ..they stay put with out pinching and they always go off with out a hitch .

[Silver Creek Slim]

Bristow Kid,
Did yer pistols come with a starter kit: balls, powder flask, lube, etc.?

Slim

[Bull Schmitt]

Presidio,

The test you pointed out by the Brimstone Pistoleros is very interesting. The direction the ball goes and the amount of energy test(s) seem to be more appropriate to the multi discharge "problem". However, if someone is placing a loaded and capped cylinder in a revolver or simply loading ball and powder into a capped cylinder in a pistol, the person could very well have parts of their body (hands, eyes, face, etc.) in positions that would result in injuries including powder burns and danger to other people.

[Presidio]

Presidio,

The test you pointed out by the Brimstone Pistoleros is very interesting. The direction the ball goes and the amount of energy test(s) seem to be more appropriate to the multi discharge "problem". However, if someone is placing a loaded and capped cylinder in a revolver or simply loading ball and powder into a capped cylinder in a pistol, the person could very well have parts of their body (hands, eyes, face, etc.) in positions that would result in injuries including powder burns and danger to other people.

That's is a very good point, Bull...and the main reason it's admonished so much not only by myself...but, plenty of others, as well.  I jest thinkin' that, that particular test would help jog some thoughts and serve it's own purpose as far as safety goes.