GOEX Express results...

[Dakota Widowmaker]

Well, after a season of using GOEX Express in my long guns, I have to say, its worked out pretty darn well.

It shoots REALLY clean and still give me the required amount of smoke.

Dad just took a doe this fall with his 45-90 (thanks to TL) with 80gr of FFg express and a 335gr Lee .457" bullet that was panlubed.

My 1860 Sheriff's (5.5" barrel) revolvers works just fine with pinched caps and ZERO fouling lockups. (I used both over ball lubing as well as Lee conicals which were panlubed and resized)

I have since switched over for all of next year.

From my 25 lb case, 12 cans of FFg and 13 cans of FFFg, I can say, "its a keeper".

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Good report.  Is this the Goex that is essentially APP, or something else?

[Four-Eyed Buck]

I think you're thinking of Pinnacle there Steel Horse...............

[sundance44`s]

Someone shoot me if`n i`m wrong but i think the Goex Express is suppose to be more the way of SWISS .

[Steel Horse Bailey]

"I think you're thinking of Pinnacle there Steel Horse..............."

Could be.  I'm not familiar with APP.  Or Swiss ... just that Swiss is real and APP is a sub.

[44caliberkid]

Goex Express is supposed to be a higher quality than regular Goex.  It is real BP.   Extensive testing by two writers in Black Powder Cartridge News showed it to be pretty good, but not enough to make them switch from Swiss.  It is mainly a BPCR powder and wouldn't be worth the extra $$$ for just CAS.

[TAkaho kid]

Good report.  Is this the Goex that is essentially APP, or something else?

"EXPRESS" is GOEX's attempt to match Swiss. It's intended market is the long range folks where Swiss dominates. (all ten of the top ten shooters at Raton used Swiss) Ironicly GOEX was the importer for Swiss many years ago. But, how do you sell the highest quality black powder available alongside your own powder which you have boasted as the best for years and years?

It's basicly the same as all of GOEX's other stuff just with a few tweeks to the mixture ratios and process such as increased mill time. The ingrediants are the same including GOEX's insistance on using inferior hardwood charcoal rather then soft woods such as Alder which is required for a true sporting powder. They also do not make thier own charcoal as the Swiss do. This is one of, if not THE most crucial process and ingrediant. If the wood contains a inconsistent moisture content or the retort is run too hot then all hope of a "Moist" burining powder (one that actually releases moisture when ignited) is lost in the black goop running out of the retort.The Swiss folks are fanatical about thier charcoal.

The other issue is the price:

I can buy a case of Swiss from The Maine Powder House for 17.24 per pound (Includes Hazmat & Shipping)

"Express" from Powder Inc. runs $15.50 (Plus hazmat & Shipping) in other words Express offers no advantage here either.

Thats my two cents

[sundance44`s]

Thanks for the info .. Takaho Kid .. i have been thinking of trying the Goex express in my 45/70 ..but for the differences , looks like Swiss has my vote .

[TAkaho kid]

Hello Sundance,

I hate getting down on a vendor. And yes there are folks out there shooting Express and loving it. But this pard just can't fathom the price. In essence they tweeked a few things then jacked the price up to make us believe it was something special. Sorta like selling a Yugo at Ferrari prices. Woooooo weeee thats special!

Anyway, when you take into acount that they aren't paying shipping cost from Europe, no customs to deal with not to mention duties etc. plus shipping from a east coast port to the distributor then on to the dealers you get my point.

That dog just wont hunt.

[Fox Creek Kid]

I have been tinkering with GOEX Express FFg in a Sharps BN cartridge and so far am impressed by the fact that I get far less throat (leade) fouling than with Swiss. Read more repeat shots before wiping. However, at 200 m I have not gotten the accuracy that I have with Swiss. Then again, I want to do more load development as I feel as the powder wants to shoot, but I haven't found the "sweet spot" yet. Yes, it's overpriced IMHO. Then again, so is a wife. 

[TAkaho kid]

I have been tinkering with GOEX Express FFg in a Sharps BN cartridge and so far am impressed by the fact that I get far less throat (leade) fouling than with Swiss. Read more repeat shots before wiping. However, at 200 m I have not gotten the accuracy that I have with Swiss. Then again, I want to do more load development as I feel as the powder wants to shoot, but I haven't found the "sweet spot" yet. Yes, it's overpriced IMHO. Then again, so is a wife. 

Fox Creek,

Have you tried Swiss 1F in that Bottleneck?

I find with the big Sharps bottlenecks (40-90. 44-77 & 44-90) they like a big grain powder (slower burning powder) - it helps stop that hard fouling at the case mouth. You might try a milder primer as well. Its sort of like taking a 500 hp hemi out of a drag car and de-tuning it for street use. The idea is to cool things down just a bit.

[Fox Creek Kid]

Have you tried Swiss 1F in that Bottleneck?
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About 5 lbs.    My 44-77 loves Swiss FFg uncompressed. With 77 gr. droptubed and a Fed. Match LR primer and a paper patched 500 gr. bullet patched 0.002 under bore diameter (not groove!) I have put 4 shots into a measured 2.125" benched at 200 m. I have done this five times. I had to blow tube between every shot. Hoke rear sight at 61 pts.

The Swiss Fg worked at 100 yds. but the "wheels fell off" at 200 m. IMHO 100 yd. shooting is almost a waste of time other than to gain rudimentary sight settings. However, I am still tinkering with Swiss Fg as well as GOEX Express at this time & have another PP mould ocming next week. As you know, working up a solid load takes timmmmmmmmmmmmmmmme! I have had no luck with primers other than Fed., but every gun varies. I did however find promise at 200 m with the Swiss Fg with Fed Match LR primers at 75 gr. That was after I shot away three pounds or better trying to make the Fed Match Magnums work at 200 m as that primer shot well at 100 yds.    By next Spring I will have loads worked up for Swiss Fg IMHO for long range. Slow methodical testing is the key and that takes timmmmmmmmmmmmmmme. 

[Dakota Widowmaker]

Just to add.

My dad's 1885 *(uberti) high-wall is 45-90 and it REALLY like GOEX Express for long range work with lighter (sub-400 gr) bullets.

I have 50rds of 38-55 with a long nose bullet and WW brass all set to go with GOEX Express. Problem is, my favorite outdoor 100yrd range is now closed for the season.

My 1886 takedown in 45-90 also does REAL well with GOEX Express and the Lee 340gr bullet (pan lubed) and FFg.

Glad I got as much as I did when I did. Sounds like prices are up and here to stay.

[sundance44`s]

I really haven`t priced a can of the Goex Express ..I order my powder from Powderinc ...and i don`t see them haveing it yet .... i have been eye ballin the SWISS prices though ...and i sure need to try some in my 45/70 ..don`t shoot it that often but sure would like the best when i do . That rifle is like a spoiled child anyway .

[TAkaho kid]

Methodical is the key word

These guns are like my 4 year old at the supper table. Takes quite a bit if effort to figure out what she likes!

I have a wonderful original Paper Patched 44-77 (no-headstamp) cartridge sitting in my humble collection. Needless to say the urge to crack it open and have a mold made, based on that bullet, has been hard to suppress.

[Noz]

I have been tinkering with GOEX Express FFg in a Sharps BN cartridge and so far am impressed by the fact that I get far less throat (leade) fouling than with Swiss. Read more repeat shots before wiping. However, at 200 m I have not gotten the accuracy that I have with Swiss. Then again, I want to do more load development as I feel as the powder wants to shoot, but I haven't found the "sweet spot" yet. Yes, it's overpriced IMHO. Then again, so is a wife. 

You, Sir, have a lot of guts or have recently discarded a wife.

[john boy]

Folks, if Goex FFg and FFFg is not your cup of tea ... would suggest trying Goex Cartridge.  Sieve test shows it's granulation is in between FF and FFFg.  It burns clean, foul is a tad dry and BPCR @ 600yds ... have nice groups.

At the distances we shoot in CAS ... it don't matter how cheap of a powder you use.  LUBE is the key to keeping your firearms running.  And so what, if you have to spritz them with Moose Milk or Windex every 4 scenarios or so. 

My next order is going to be KIK for shotgun and Schuetzen for revolvers and rifles

re: Express.  I've shot 3 cans of the 5 purchased.  The remaining 2 are going to be kept as Collectibles.  I'm not impressed with either the results or the price.  BTW, one vendor has it up to 19 bucks a can now

As Takaho Kid said ... charcoal is the key ingredient.  And Schuetzen uses Alder Blackthorn as does Swiss.  Goex uses Maple

[TAkaho kid]

re: Express.  I've shot 3 cans of the 5 purchased.  The remaining 2 are going to be kept as Collectibles.  I'm not impressed with either the results or the price.  BTW, one vendor has it up to 19 bucks a can now

John Boy,

The can will be worth more then the powder. I would dump it in the flower bed and save it from being rusted out. Now if it was one of those 10 oz cans as advertised by Powder Inc. Now that WOULD be worth saving.

[john boy]

Well, isn't this Special! 
A 10oz can at 1# prices ...

Product: Goex Express Black Powder
F 1 pound cans
  (Rifle)   
FF 1 pound cans
  (Rifle)   
FFF 1 pound cans
  (Rifle or Pistol)    
      5 lb. lot: $16.50 per lb
10 lb. lot: $16.00 per lb
25 or 50 lb. lot: $15.50 per lb.

Wondering if Powder Inc ships the other 6 ozs to ya in a brown paper bag 

The Boyzs down is Minden are real slick, wouldn't ya say?  Guess they are saying ... Express shoots 37.5% than Swiss
Oh, and BTW ... Express is STILL 12% less dense than Swiss - whether it's in a 1# or 10oz can ... Ho Hum

[TAkaho kid]

Speaking of advertising flubs how about this one......................

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