We need stainless 1860 ARMY clones !

[Cincinnati Slim]

Hey Ya'll

Remmie shooters have it good. Both Pietta and Uberti make stainless steel versions of the 1858 Remmington. Uberti even has a handy 5 1/2 inch barrel version.

Us Colt shooters need a 1860 clone in easy-to-clean stainless steel !

I know Pietta offers a gaudy un-historical "sherrif's model" 1851 version in .44 caliber. The navy size grips are too small for my big long fingers and I don't care for the flashy photo engraving. It's sorta tacky really...

Pietta or Uberti should offer a "shooter's version" of the 1860 with all stainless construction, a choice of barrel length and a dovetailed front sight high enough to hit point of aim at realistic "cowboy" distances. While we're at it, how about a narrow hammer nose like a Remmie to prevent cap jams !

I'm gonna start sending e-mails to the major importer/distributors. I'd suggest other Colt Army fans do the same. I'm willing to bet Pietta might be the most responsive since they already produce a number of interesting but "historically incorrect" variations of the cap and ball revolvers.

Let's make some calls and send some e-mails.

If they know there is a market we might get what we want !

Cheers,

Cincinnati Slim[/b]

[Bushwack Bill]

A few years ago there was an advertisement for Stainless Steel 1860 Army Colt Revolvers.  I'm sure either Cabella's or Cimarron offered them.

[St. George]

And for a couple of years - Colt made them, as well.

You see them on the internet gun auction/sales sites pretty often.

Vaya,

Scouts Out!

[44caliberkid]

While I would find a polished stainless 1860 attractive, what I'd really like to see is 1860's without the recoil shield cut for the shoulder stock and no stock retaining screws.  I mean, how many buyers ever purchase or use that shoulder stock.  It would be much more pleasing to make most of them without and a few with for the few that want that.
   As far those extra features you mentioned (sights, hammer mods) forget it, won't ever happen from the factory.  The majority of these pistols are bought for display or re-enacting and will never fire live ammo.   It's the replica that matters, not usability as an actual firearm.

[Dick Dastardly]

If I cud get me a SS 1860 and a Kirst Konverter cylinder to fit it, I'd buy it.

DD-DLoS

[Cincinnati Slim]

It never hurts to just ask for what you want !

I sent an e-mail to Pietta and received a reply the NEXT DAY !!!

Direct from Senior Pietta hisownself.

Check this out...

From :  F.lli Pietta <info@pietta.it>
Sent :  Sunday, July 23, 2006 5:19 AM
Subject :  Re: Stainless Steel 1860 Army ?
 
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Thanks for the e.mail. I will care and think about it.

Happy trails,

Alessandro Pietta

aka Alchimista 



I'm impressed, maybe I'll buy one of their stainless Remmies just to show some appreciation ! 

Cheers,

Cincinnati Slim

[Driftwood Johnson]

Us Colt shooters need a 1860 clone in easy-to-clean stainless steel !

I just don't understand why folks think Stainless is any easier to clean than carbon steel. I have shot BP through both, Stainless and carbon steel. I used a pair of Stainless Rugers for a couple of years before I got my Colts. I see absolutely no difference in difficulty between cleaning Stainless or carbon steel. They are both easy. The crud falls right off with a little bit of water based solvent. As far as being more susceptable to rust, I have completely dispelled the myth that BP corrodes carbon steel revolvers over night. I never clean my Colts the same day I shoot them, I have gone as long as 3 weeks before cleaning them, with no rust. I don't understand why folks think Stainless is better for BP.

[44caliberkid]

Dear Driftwood, as you probably know from my other posts, I also don't think BP is the reason for rust or corrosion on firearms.  I often let my guns go days or weeks without cleaning, and I'm in a humid area.   I see no real benefit to stainless except that you can stick 'em in the dishwasher to clean them.   You might be able to do that with carbon steel too, I've never tried it, as I'm the dishwasher in my house.
   It's just that SS gives us another variation and another reason we "need" another gun.   And as I said, I'd much rather have the 1860 with no stock cuts and screws.  I'll have to try e-muling Pietta like Cincinatti did, maybe in Italian with lots of hand gestures.

[Dick Dastardly]

My purchase would be predicated on the notion that a low down Riverboat Gambler, such as me, would be more in character with a shiny gun.  SS holds up better than nickel plate from what I've seen.  Thus a SS 1860 seems right.

I now shoot RVs and ROAs in original black and blue and I'd keep on using them.  I'm thinkn' a brace of bright shiny 1860s with white handles would be my "parade" outfit .

DD-DLoS

[Driftwood Johnson]

44caliberkid

Agreed, there is always a need for more guns, and any excuse is a good one. However I must beg to disagree with your practice of cleaning guns in the dishwasher. There has to be some small amount of lead particles, as well as lead styphnate from primers left on guns before cleaning. Placing these chemicals, no matter how small the amount, into a dishwasher that is used for cleaning eating utensils cannot be a good idea.

[44caliberkid]

Don't do it myself, have just heard about it from others.  I think this started way back in the 1970's when the first Smith & Wessons started coming out in SS.  I was in law enforcement then and "they" used to tell us we could put our model 65's and 66's in the dishwasher to clean them.   I don't think I've ever lived anyplace with a dishwashing machine.

[Dick Dastardly]

Aw, common' Kid, ya do have one.  She's the same one whut cooks yer breakfast and she won't clean yer guns either. . .

At least mine won't.

DD-DLoS

[Grapeshot]

I've been under the impresion for the last 25 plus years that Black Powder and Pyrodex were more corrosive to stainless steel than to carbon steel guns.  Seems that there was an article in one of the shooting magazines that I was getting while I was stationed in Germany during the late 1970's.

[Arcey]

Damn, Kid.....

All they'd issue us was 64s.  But I still got it - the city don't.  They sure was nice after the tens.  Humid as it is here, ya'd touch a ten 'n they'd rust.

My cowboy stuff is blue 'n that's all I want.  But it sher is nice stuffin' stainless 'n plastic up agin my bare belly this timeah year 'n not haft werry 'bout it......

[Cincinnati Slim]

Howdy all,

The main reason stainless steel would be nice is the Cylinder could stay DRY after cleaning and ready to load.

I Cleaned my 1860 after shooting Pyrodex with hot soapy water. I Lubed up the barrel and frame after drying off but left the cylinder dry so I could reload it for shooting later. I didn't want to bother with cleaning oil off the chambers and nipples before shooting. I thought I had totally dried off the cylinder and all would be well.

Big Mistake !

A week later after sitting in my humid basement the cylinder was spotty with RUST!

The rest of the gun was fine since it was covered in Ballistol.

Stainless would solve this problem. Since I can't find a entire 1860 in stainless I'm going to try something.

Pietta makes a gaudy engraved 1851 "Marshall's Model" Navy in .44. This revolver may or may not in fact be stainless.
Different websites say different things but here's my idea...

I'll get a spare cylinder from Cabela's. Only $39.95 !

The Pietta 1851 and 1860 Colt clones used the same .44 caliber cylinder.
( I know this for a fact, same part number...)

If this cylinder is stainless, or at least more corrosion resistant than the blue steel original, then my problem is solved.

I could leave a stainless cylinder dry or even loaded, ready to shoot !

Of course the stainless cylinder on a case colored frame behind a blue barrel will look sort of weird.

I could leave my matching blue steel cylinders all safely stored covered in oil safe from humidity and rust.

It's the Humidity I'm fighting here. Cincinnati in August is a rust festival.

I'll let everybody know how this experiment works.

Cheers,

Cincinnati Slim

p.s. For-sure-stainless cylinders for the 1858 Remmie clones are $ 49.95 from Cabela's. I'm also ordering one of those !

[Arcey]

Gonna get myself in trouble here.....

Don't use no water on the cylinder.  Pull it.  Take the nipples out, then dump the cylinder 'n nipples in a can ah Ed's Red.  They'll be ready ta be patched out or blown out with the air compressor next time ya want ta shoot 'em - rust free.

[Cincinnati Slim]

Hey Arcey,

I'm in the dark regarding "Ed's Red". 

I'm a guessing this is some kinda cleaning product fer charcoal burners.
Are you suggesting I just leave the cylinders and nipples swimmin' around until I'm ready to go shootin' again?
That was my whole point of the stainless de-sire. To have everything ready to load and shoot whenever the mood strikes me.

What's the skinny on "Ed's Red" pard ?

Thanks,

Cincinnati Slim

[Arcey]

Are you suggesting I just leave the cylinders and nipples swimmin' around until I'm ready to go shootin' again?

Damn....  Looks like I've started sumthin' here.  'N that's exactly what I'm suggestin'.  I've got two Colt clone cylinders 'n a cylinder from a '58 clone submersed in the stuff as I type.  The '58's has been in there since the first Saturday of this month.  The Colts' since the third Saturday.  Ain't usin' 'em this weekend but I'll be usin' the Colts' the sixth.  All I'll have ta do is fish 'em out 'n dry 'em off.

Guys, I'll try some pics this afternoon.  But my digital camera is old 'n they may not be worth postin'.

Slim, give this a read:

http://www.building-tux.com/dsmjd/tech/eds_red.htm

[Arcey]

We'll blame the photographer.  Best I can do.......

The ERs been drained off.  The cylinders sittin' as they have been since July 15th.....



The cylinder mostly visible has the base pin bushing knocked out and dropped in a chamber.  Normal procedure.

[Arcey]

The cylinder from a 'Colt', its base pin bushing and base pin.  The cylinder from the '58.  Both just wiped off with the grungy ole tee shirt in the background....



Don't plan on usin' the '58 any time soon so I tossed that one back.