Screw-in chokes

Silver Creek Slim · December 15, 2004, 09:45:04 AM

Are screw-in choke tubes allowed? I am looking at a mule-ear SxS that has screw-in chokes. I don't want ta buy it unless it is "legal".

Slim

Irish Dave · December 15, 2004, 01:10:04 PM

SCS:

Check here:

http://www.frontierspot.org/viewtopic.php?t=22683

On second read, it's not really definitive on the question. I also checked the Tally Book (online at GLFMC website) and can find no mention of removeable chokes. This is not gospel, by a long shot, but I would say if they are not visible, they should be OK since they otherwise do not change the functioning or appearance of the firearm, provided it is an NCOWS-legal firearm in the first place.

Silver Creek Slim · December 15, 2004, 01:36:30 PM

Thanks, Irish Dave.

Slim

Will Ketchum · December 15, 2004, 06:52:09 PM

Like Dave I can't really say. I guess I have always thought they were legal. I don't think many people would change chokes during a match but I suppose the more gamey shooters might.

I wouldn't hesitate to buy a gun based soley on the screw in choke thing.

Will Ketchum

Delmonico · December 15, 2004, 10:28:06 PM

Just for fun here, (I don't stir no pot that don't have food in it.) there was a choke device for single barrel shotguns that came out in the 1880's that was similar to the Cutts choke of by gone days. It was invented by a guy named Roper, the same fella that made the ill fated Roper Pump gun about the same time. Just fer fun, Slim or Lone Gunman can you find a pictuere with yer goooooogle thing.

Wymore Wrangler · December 16, 2004, 11:24:58 AM

Maybe this issue should also be brought up before the Congress on this issue, folks assumed for years that slides and Bisleys Vaqueros were legal, so it's better to officially act on screw in chokes than a couple of years from now, they get voted out, I've got hammered shotguns with and without screw in chokes so I'm covered either way.....

Silver Creek Slim · December 16, 2004, 11:30:07 AM

I couldn't find a picture of a Spencer-Roper shotgun, but found a page about detachable chokes.
http://www.blackpowderonline.com/FEB03NewPrdcts.htm

QuoteThe Roper shotgun company (c. 1866) made the first detachable choke devise, a short constricting sleeve that screwed on the muzzle of the gun.

I probably would not have found this if Delmonico wouldn't have requested a picture. Thanks, Del.

Slim

Delmonico · December 16, 2004, 03:45:34 PM

Most sources give Fred Kimble credit for perfecting choke boring. A few sources say Manton (sorry fergot the first name) of London choke bored a few of his guns before the American Civil War. The fact that his guns were very high grade has kept any of them out of my gun vault, let alone any with choke boring.

However I was allowed to handle one once (much better than stayin' in a Holiday Inn last night.

) I will say if someone out there has one of those fine Manton muzzel loaders out there that has choke borin' I would be glad to do an extensive 3-4 year test to see how efective his version of choke boring performs on Newbrasskey pheasants and quail, perhaps prairie chickens and if FWS would give me a non-toxic shot waver I would be glad to test it on ducks and geese. Cousre I would have to try doves, maybe a few rabbits, fact anything edible would be a good test, might take longer than 3-4 years, might take 20-30, fact is better kiss it goodbye cause you ain't gettin' it back.

Ok, I like some others think they both developed it on their own. Doubt that a poor guy in Illernoise in the 1870's knew much about "London Best" shotguns.

Silver Creek Slim · December 16, 2004, 04:04:29 PM

Quote from: Delmonico on December 16, 2004, 03:45:34 PM
Most sources give Fred Kimble credit for perfecting choke boring. A few sources say Manton (sorry fergot the first name) of London choke bored a few of his guns before the American Civil War. The fact that his guns were very high grade has kept any of them out of my gun vault, let alone any with choke boring. However I was allowed to handle one once (much better than stayin' in a Holiday Inn last night. ) I will say if someone out there has one of those fine Manton muzzel loaders out there that has choke borin' I would be glad to do an extensive 3-4 year test to see how efective his version of choke boring performs on Newbrasskey pheasants and quail, perhaps prairie chickens and if FWS would give me a non-toxic shot waver I would be glad to test it on ducks and geese. Cousre I would have to try doves, maybe a few rabbits, fact anything edible would be a good test, might take longer than 3-4 years, might take 20-30, fact is better kiss it goodbye cause you ain't gettin' it back.

How 'bout Jacks?

Quote from: Delmonico on December 16, 2004, 03:45:34 PMOk, I like some others think they both developed it on their own. Doubt that a poor guy in Illernoise in the 1870's knew much about "London Best" shotguns.

I would agree with that. 'Cuz this boy from Wisssssssssscoooooooooooooonsin knows nutin 'bout 'em, either.

Slim

Wymore Wrangler · December 16, 2004, 05:55:51 PM

Darn Delmonico, you'd have to loan to me so I could bring you some more pheasants....

Delmonico · December 16, 2004, 06:45:03 PM

Sorry, WW, the hammers would confooose you. Besides that my wifes friend almost broke out the livin' room window the other night when I brought that other one home. Didn't know she had dead bird phobia. Got to get me some wild rice tommorow, keep forgettin' it, oh and some chives.

She was horrified that I'd drive around with a dead bird in the backseat, tolt her better a dead one than a live one.

Delmonico · December 16, 2004, 06:48:31 PM

I member now it was Joseph Manton, that's his name.

Wymore Wrangler · December 17, 2004, 11:20:53 AM

If I had more time that night, I would have figured out how to attach it to the steering wheel and folks would have thought the pheasant was driving instead of you....

Silver Creek Slim · December 17, 2004, 11:35:45 AM

Quote from: Wymore Wrangler on December 17, 2004, 11:20:53 AM
If I had more time that night, I would have figured out how to attach it to the steering wheel and folks would have thought the pheasant was driving instead of you....

Slim

Delmonico · December 17, 2004, 11:37:17 AM

One thing I alwaysed liked about VW Bettles (real ones not them new things) is I can drive them from the passangers seat (onlly in parkin' lots) Ya ever seen a Black Lab drive one.

Lone Gunman · December 19, 2004, 05:26:03 PM

Here's a picture of those Roper screw-on chokes, which were fitted to all Roper shotguns mfg after mid 1868:

Delmonico · December 19, 2004, 07:15:56 PM

Thank ya cuzsion (sort of cuzion any way) I could remember that it was made, just not exactly what it looked like.

Silver Creek Slim · December 20, 2004, 08:49:12 AM

Thanks, Lone Gunman.

Slim

Wymore Wrangler · December 21, 2004, 05:50:48 AM

Let's see the picture of the whole shotgun, was it a single shot....

Delmonico · December 22, 2004, 06:41:21 PM

The Roper was a pump gun.