Spencer carbine doubt

[PEPEPOTAMO]

First thank for add
Yesterday offer to me a Spencer Carbine cal 56-52 but I have a doubt the owner say me the  serial number  104047 this number is high for original carbine or is correct ?
Please I need help with this info
Thank   

[Trailrider]

The number does sound a little high, but the seller could be mistaken.  Is the carbine have the rimfire firing pin? I know of no reproductions with a rimfire firing pin. The cartridge is correctly called .56-.50, but would fire the commercially made .56-.52 cartridge interchangeably. (Christopher Spencer thought the .56-.50 had too much crimp, and created a bottlenecked version for the .50 caliber guns.)

[PEPEPOTAMO]

Thanks for the information, tomorrow I will see the carbine personally, I will check if it has the firing pin for rimfire  and the manufacturer's marks,
I will also take photos and put them to give me advice,thank

[Two Flints]

"Peppy",

serial # also appears on the underside of the barrel, but is covered over by the wooden forend . . . see if the serial #s are the same;  also, post a good sharp photo of the serial # at the top of the receiver might help.

Two Flints

[PEPEPOTAMO]

Many thank 
I will do so

[Herbert]

serial number makes it a New model,NM should be stamped on the barrel just ahead of the action it should also have a Spencer cut off fitted

[PEPEPOTAMO]

Hi

There are the Photos
The carbine have a firing pin for rimfire cartridge,the barrel have 20" long
Please,I need info about the carbine

Many thank

[PEPEPOTAMO]

More photos

[DJ]

You are looking at Spencer's final carbine model, the "New Model," also sometimes called the "Model 1868."  Marcot estimates 5,000 were produced, but I see other models  much more often.  I suspect most were exported.

The serial number is in the correct range for that model.  The front bands usually have a sling swivel, but I have seen them both ways. 

--DJ

[mgmradio]

As DJ stated, that's the last version of the Spencer carbine. Also of note is that it has the Spencer version of the cutoff instead of using the Stabler cutoff.

[PEPEPOTAMO]

Many thank for info.
Please,I need estimated price for buy this carbine,the rifling see  excelent,the metal parts see in very good  conditions, have a crack in the  stock,I think shoot used rimfire cartridge or mount a conversión  block
Many thank for the time
Jesús

[bear tooth billy]

Rock Island auction has several this weekend, you can watch the auction live
to see what they go for. Has your metal been polished? it looks very nice /shinny
for that age. Anything touched or changed will bring down collector value. From
what I've seen, a decent, shootable one will bring $2000- $3000. Some are
asking more on gunbroker, and a near perfect one could be considerable more.
I'm no expert, just what I've seen.

                           BTB

[DJ]

It's always hard to estimate without lots of detailed photos or having the gun in hand, but it looks like the breechblock has a flaw, it has widespread light pitting, and there is a crack in the wood (and cracks don't tend to get better).  It also appears to have been cleaned, but the markings I can see still look OK.

I recommend you look at the "completed" listings on a site like Gunbroker to see what comparable guns actually sold for.  You will probably see that prices for all the standard Spencer carbines (1860, 1865, 1867, 1868/NM) fall in the $1100-$2000 range unless their condition is either very very good or very very bad.

The one you are looking at strikes me as more of a shooter than a collector piece (assuming the bore and mechanics are good), and I would expect to find a similar carbine for somewhere around $1300-1500; I doubt you'll find one for under $1100 and I would consider $2000 pretty high.

[bear tooth billy]

Rock Island Auction sold 4 Spencers today. this is including 15% buyers premium.
lot 171 $2875,  lot 175  $2070,   lot 179 $1265,    lot 187 $978.  Condition is
everything. On gunbroker they can ask anything, but this is real people buying
real guns at the largest antique auction in the world.

                           BTB

                               

[PEPEPOTAMO]

Many thank for help