*** Photos Added *** 1860 Spencer Carbine, Help!

[jmeizlik]

Hi everybody,
I need some information to preform a needed repair. I believe the problem
is the way the end cap is sitting on the magazine tube. When I insert the
magazine into the stock the end cap sits up a little bit and when turned, will
not align with the groove.
I believe I have to separate the end cap from the magazine, align it correctly,
reattach it.
My question; is the cap screwed on or a force fit? Also, if I have figured this
problem all wrong, what is the right problem/fix?
Regards
Jeff

[El Supremo]

Hello:
Suggest you send clear photo's to help.
Respectfully,
Kevin/El Supremo

[Blair]

jmeizlik,

I am not quite sure what it is you are asking help for?

Can you post photos?
If not, then contact Two Flints thorough his email profile to see if he can help.
My best,
Blair

[Arizona Trooper]

The magazine tube does screw on to the end cap. The way the threads are cut, it would be almost impossible to cross thread it and get a misalignment. The tab itself may be bent. When the tubes get a little rusty they tend to stick in the stock, then people start prying on them and bend things. 

[Blair]

Tony,

Good advice!

I am still not sure just what the original poster is asking for.
Photos would be nice.
My best,
Blair

[jmeizlik]

Hi, I have taken photos but I need Fred/Two Flints' help to post them. He emailed that
he was out of State and will return Fri. or Sat. and will help with the photos then.













The question I had was how the magazine cap was attached to the magazine tube. I see
the answer was by screwing (no pun here) and not a force fit. I don't think rust was the
problem because the interior shaft and the magazine are in very nice shape without a
speck of rust.

When the magazine is inserted (and the cap is a 3 o'clock) and you try to rotate it
to 12 o'clock lock position, it will not engage the catch. The heal of the cap is sitting
out to much. Something is bent.

It's a little hard to explain so I guess we should wait for the photos.

Thanks for your help!
Regards
Jeff

[Blair]

Jeff,

There is a small, screw held, lug mounted to the underside of the butt plate that holds the mag. tube in place.
This may have been installed incorrectly at some point in time.
I would suggest starting your search with checking this out.
My best,
Blair

[jmeizlik]

Hi Blair,
When I bought the carbine the catch and screw were missing. I believe
someone took those out so the "bent" magazine/cap would fit into the
stock.
I have since purchased the catch and screw (original parts) from S&S
and carefully made sure they fit. When I took the butt plate off and
fit the magazine through it, it worked fine. HOWEVER, with the butt plate
off, when I slipped the magazine threw it (at 3 O'clock) the magazine
is NOT in line, it's off to the right about 15-20 degrees. I can now turn
the cap up to 12 and catch fits in the groove and works fine.
When Fred is able to post the photos you can see what I'm trying to say.

So, when the butt plate is back on the stock and the magazine is inserted
down the tube, and the cap is at 3 O'clock, and I try to turn it up to lock it in
place, the catch is no longer aligned with the groove on the cap.

It's hard to explain but the more I look at it I'm sure the cap is not sitting
right on the magazine.

Thanks for your help, kindly let me know if this makes any sense.

Regards

Jeff

[Two Flints]

Sorry again,

I am out of state and at my hospital for an eye evaluation . . . can't do any computer work right now.  If you all can wait til I return I will post them as soon as I can . . .There are three photos in all.

It's tought getting old

Two Flints

[Blair]

Thanks all.
Yes, I can wait.
Fred, I hope all goes well.
My best,
Blair

[jmeizlik]

Hi Guys,
As you can see in the new photos when the cap is in the right position for the
groove to match up with the catch but the magazine is somehow bent to the right
(see photos with my thumb). Trust me the cap is in the correct position on the
outside of the butt plate.

When I rotate the cap into the lock position (12 O'clock) you can see the magazine
is now angled UP. It should be parallel to the top of the butt plate. When the butt
plate is in position on the carbine and the magazine is inserted (both being a fixed
position) the "bend" has to go somewhere which is the cap is now out of position
for the catch to go into the groove. I hope this makes sense.

So, I assume something is wrong with the connection between the cap and the magazine.

I'm open to any thoughts.
AND, thanks to Fred for his help in posting the photos.

Jeff

[Herbert]

When placing the tube in the stock can you feel or hear metal to metal contact if so your magazine tube is to long and it is hitting the stop in the frame(my magazine tube  13 9/16 inches long from the back off the cap to the end of the tube)if the tube needs shorting make sure that the cartridge follower  fully extended is 14 1/2 inches ahead of the end of the magazine cap.I am thinking your magazine tube is not screwed in fully

[jmeizlik]

My magazine is 14 7/16 from the heel of the cap to the end of the magazine follower.
When I slide the magazine down the tube it doesn't hit other metal.

I still think it's how the cap is attached to the magazine.

If someone out there had the butt plate off and they slipped the magazine through
it, held it in the locked position, does it match my photos or is the magazine parallel
to the cap.

Jeff