Colt SAA guidance

[M113A3]

Ok I recently got into single action with a Cimarron 1851 Navy RM conversion and now I am hooked so started to look at the SAA offerings.

I first looked at the Evil Roy and then the Long Hunter version of the Smoke Wagon but quickly decided if this is something I will pass down it should be a Colt.

Now my dilemma is all the choices not to mention the cost. I think a modern version (Gen 3?) should work but like many things I sure there are lots of nuance and variations and am hopeful you all can provide some pointers.  

Additionally I have read Colt only produces limited numbers per year so there is a backlog but not sure if this is currently the case so I started my quest at Gunbroker which is a bit overwhelming since I have no experience with Colt SAA.

Thanks in advance!

[St. George]

You made a wise choice - 'Real cowboys Shoot Colts'.

Start by looking through the 'back pages' on this forum, and you'll get many of your questions answered, because they've already been asked, and there are numerous threads on them.

Do some research - decide on things like finish, caliber, grips and length of barrel - all of which will help narrow your search.

Gunbroker has quite a few available - check frequently to see what they actually sell for, and not what someone's asking - quite often, there's a wide gap.

Good Hunting!

Scouts Out!

[M113A3]

You made a wise choice - 'Real cowboys Shoot Colts'.

Start by looking through the 'back pages' on this forum, and you'll get many of your questions answered, because they've already been asked, and there are numerous threads on them.

Do some research - decide on things like finish, caliber, grips and length of barrel - all of which will help narrow your search.

Gunbroker has quite a few available - check frequently to see what they actually sell for, and not what someone's asking - quite often, there's a wide gap.

Good Hunting!

Scouts Out!

Thanks for the reply!  Currently either 4 3/4 and 5 1/2 in .45 ... As for finish a nice deep blue combined with color case hardening is my starting point.  I also like some of the engraving I have seen but currently out of my budget.

The hunt begins!

[Hondo44]

A word about engraving: for value appreciation I always choose factory engraving. The level of engraving doesn't matter, choose what you can afford and future value will appreciate proportionately to what you spend initially. After market engraving can be iffy for appreciation and may actually de-value the gun. It must be from a known master with certification to have any potential for future appreciation and resale demand.

This will give you some guidance on the nuances of the 3rd gens.

Most Colt SAs do not have an accuracy problem, it's just that the point of impact is not always at the point of aim. That can be adjusted however. Here's a general guide to the 3rd gen Colts which have the greatest quality variances compared to the 1st and 2nd gen single actions.

The SA46XXX to SA05XXX range 1981-86, is about the peak of the worst period. I'll try to put a bracket on it: The very early 3rds with an SA suffix are fine and compare well to late 2nd gens in quality if not features like the trigger guard bevel, cyl base pin bushing, et.al.

Starting about 1980 # SA3XXXX range thru about 1989 #SA94XXX, inspect very closely for:

Cyl end shake (fore and aft play), flattened hammer spurs, off center firing pins in the hammer, bad backstrap to hammer base flush fitting, crooked front sights, sloppy actions with more than four clicks, crooked rolled stampings on frame and barrel (sometimes patent dates are missing altogether), lousy case coloring, poor grip strap to frame fit, over polished edges or edges so sharp you could cut yourself, etc., etc. The labor strike was in 1986. Now having said all that, I have found an occasional decent gun in that period.

After that period things start to improve with typically only one of those problems per gun but sometimes more, and sometimes none. The lousy backstrap 'ears' to hammer base fitting is still fairly common as are flattened hammer spurs. Once the SA in the serial number splits SXXXXXA in 1993, they continue to get better thru 1999.

At #S26XXXA in 1999 the authentic removable base pin cyl bushing like 1st and 2nd gen guns is re-introduced and cyl end shake is all but eliminated. Case colors really improve as well as fitting. Hammer spurs are correct as well as most backstrap ears to hammer base fit. Now the guns are approaching late 2nd gen quality and do to this day. However the trigger guard/front grip strap still does not have the bevel of the early 3rds with SA suffix or wide loading gates of the early 2nd gens and probably never will again. The 2nds never had the 2 line short barrel address or 1/2" radius flutes of the 1st gen, and even the late 1st gens lost the case colored hammers and all vestiges of the front cyl chamfer. At least three pre c. 1936 features can be special ordered now on 3rd gens; CCH hammer, the 2 line barrel address on short barrels and the cyl chamfer, but it's not accurately done. Of course there's a one year plus wait.

[M113A3]

Thanks Hondo44... That's a whole lot to digest  I would be happy to find a recent production with a BP frame that I did not have to pay MSRP +++  

I am browsing the following sites and trying to get a feel for prices...

gunbroker.com
auctionarms.com
gunsamerica.com
gunsinternational.com

Cheers

[St. George]

Well, for that, I think you're going to have to get used to the idea of paying retail.

The BP frame is exceptionally popular, and is seldom discounted.

Look for one of the 'etched panel' Colt's Frontier Six-Shooters' in .44-40 that they made a couple of years ago.

They're quite nice - the 'etched panel' replicating the era - and they're getting harder to find.

Scouts Out!

[M113A3]

Thanks I keep an eye open for the model you suggested.

Cheers