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[matt45]

The other day I loaded a few 200gr lead in front of what I thought was 6 grs. of trail boss (Fed Mag primer).  Turns out I had the scale set on 7 grs. (got to get a digital scale).  Do you folks think I can shoot that in my Iron Frame, or should I just shoot them in my Ruger and start over?

[Forty Rod]

Don't risk a rifle on a mistake.  Use them up in the Ruger and load some new stuff for the Henry.

[Coffinmaker]

Either shoot them in the Ruger ...... or take them apart and start over.

Coffinmaker

[Pettifogger]

Would be nice to know what caliber you have before stating an opinion.

[Forty Rod]

Why risk an overload regardless of caliber?  An inconvenience in shooting up the possible overloads outweighs damage to an $800.00+ gun. 

Odds are it's a .38/.357, .44-40, or .45 Colt.

[Major 2]

I went and looked to see when he Rostered up and see if he said the caliber ...nope

so 44/40 or 45 ( Henry's were not produced  in 38 ) and very rarely in 44 spcl.

either way , I would not run them in your Henry.

[cactus joe]

could be that since his handle is matt45, that hes loading 45colt or maybe 45 scoffield. Just a guess.

[Coffinmaker]

And .... So far he/she ain't talkin

[matt45]

Sorry guys- out of town for the past several days.
     It's a 45 colt- shoot schofields out of it.  Think I'll pull the bullets and re-do.  Previous load was 6.3 w/ a magnum primer, just swap em out.

[Fox Creek Kid]

A.  It is impossible to blow up a modern gun with Trailboss. You can fill the case to the base of the bullet. That's from Hogdon.

B.  Why on earth are you using a Magnum primer? 

[matt45]

At the time, they were the only thing I had

[Grizzly Adams]

It is impossible to blow up a modern gun with Trailboss. You can fill the case to the base of the bullet. That's from Hogdon.

FCK, I know you to be a careful and knowledgeable man, but that is an amazing statement.  Interesting.

[matt45]

     After reading Fox Creek Kid's post and looking in @ the Hodgen site, I shot 30- 40 of the rounds yesterday.  Well, I shot several, and then some other folks shot the rest.  No problems.
      There were 3 other shooters, and they all had AR platforms, and various models of 1911's.  After a bit, they just gravitated to the Henry.  One of the kids said something to the effect of "these old guns are more fun."

[Abilene]

FCK, I know you to be a careful and knowledgeable man, but that is an amazing statement.  Interesting.

A few months ago someone was talking about filling a case with Trailboss, and I got into an argument with him about it.  He kept stating that "all the load data" indicated this was okay.  But he could not show me any data to support this except from an "unofficial" handloader site.  And according to Hodgdon's load tables for that cartridge, filling the case was way too much.  Well, I kept looking around and found the info on Hodgdon's site.  From their home page, put your cursor over the "data" tab and down in the dropdown box you click on "Trail Boss Reduced Loads" which is a misnomer because the loads they describe are hotter than their loading tables.  Anyway, that page ( http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Trail%20Boss%20Reduced%20Loads%20R&P.pdf ) indicates that for any cartridge you can load TB up to the base of the bullet (no compression) for the max load, and 70% of that charge for minimum.  But on at least the couple of cartridges that I checked, even that minimum load is above the maximum in their load data for that particular cartridge.  I sent a message to Hodgdon by email a couple weeks ago to ask about this conflicting info but have not heard back.  They say to call them if you don't get a timely response but I haven't had a chance to do that yet.

[Pettifogger]

Abilene, it will be interesting to hear what they say.

[Fox Creek Kid]

...that page ( http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Trail%20Boss%20Reduced%20Loads%20R&P.pdf ) indicates that for any cartridge you can load TB up to the base of the bullet (no compression) for the max load...

Exactly. However, in todays litigious society I should have explained that "fill 'er up" means to the base of the bullet and not filling the case to the rim and then using a 5 ton arbor press to seat the bullet & compress the powder!! 

Regardless, for the casual reloader using a progressive it is far safer than say Bullseye.

[wildman1]

A few months ago someone was talking about filling a case with Trailboss, and I got into an argument with him about it.  He kept stating that "all the load data" indicated this was okay.  But he could not show me any data to support this except from an "unofficial" handloader site.  And according to Hodgdon's load tables for that cartridge, filling the case was way too much.  Well, I kept looking around and found the info on Hodgdon's site.  From their home page, put your cursor over the "data" tab and down in the dropdown box you click on "Trail Boss Reduced Loads" which is a misnomer because the loads they describe are hotter than their loading tables.  Anyway, that page ( http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Trail%20Boss%20Reduced%20Loads%20R&P.pdf ) indicates that for any cartridge you can load TB up to the base of the bullet (no compression) for the max load, and 70% of that charge for minimum.  But on at least the couple of cartridges that I checked, even that minimum load is above the maximum in their load data for that particular cartridge.  I sent a message to Hodgdon by email a couple weeks ago to ask about this conflicting info but have not heard back.  They say to call them if you don't get a timely response but I haven't had a chance to do that yet.

Have you heard from Hodgden  yet? WM

[Abilene]

Have you heard from Hodgden  yet? WM

Nope.  Nor have I found the time to call them.

[litl rooster]

I'm am going to make a ass of u and me assume this is a .44 caliber (200 grain) and your are talking about an 1860 Henry rifle, not a rifle by the henry's company. 7 grains of Trailboss would not overload this but as no signifcant value to load it that hot. WHAT I am surprised to read is only one of you asked about the magnum primers.

from Hodgdon Load data on line


200 GR. CAST LRNFP    IMR    Trail Boss    .430"    1.600"    5.5    723fps    7,800 PSI    6.5    826fps    11,900 PSI

Like FCK stated about the Trailboss, when the push for using the miracle powder called Trailboss came out the BUZZ was you could not overload a cartridge with it and seat a bullet. Saying with a progessive type loader you could not double charge a pistol case. Without noticing it. So even an idiot like myself could safely load
ammo for a cowboy shoot

[Gripmaker]

Gentlemen,  FCK is entirely correct about Trail Boss. I have spoken to not only Mike Daly at Hogdon about this but also to one of the guys who helped develope the powder. Load to bottom of bullet, ie. DO NOT COMPRESS powder, load the appropriate bullet and shoot 'er up.  I have personally used 9 gr. with a 205 gr. bullet in 44WCF for long distance (for this cartridge) in my 66 and have had no ill effects or even indications that any may be on their way. BTW this load rings the 600 yd target on the sight-in range at the NRA Whittington Center. Ya just gotta know where/how to sight it in (and be patient to hear the hit).