Patterns and the law?

Slowhand Bob · August 20, 2011, 08:14:35 AM

Guys, I am not the brightest bulb in the package BUT I am smart enuff to know that one does not copy and/or in any way publish someone elses work without permission. I also know that even when copyrighted material leaves the market place it can and often is still protected by ongoing copyright fees. I have looked high and low without success for a source for the old patterns I have found and they are not currently out there, cept perhaps rarely on Ebay. In years past Tandy has reprinted them a time or two as these were purchased through them as reprints and the reprint quality was not that good, think old old fashion office copier.

These patterns are reminiscent of the cap and ball holster patterns, covered here recently, that they put out at one time with the exception that I these were once also available in kit form. There is even a 'kit contains' list printed on the front page of the pattern/instructions. Perhaps some of the old timers can add more info or substantiate this. Would the Tandy corporate have someone run these off, if individual requests were made?? They did do many requested favors for me years ago but who knows about now??

I did scan the front cover page of each pattern in last night and do not feel uncomfortable with this as it is little more than free advertising, if they want it. As soon as I can find a place to show them I will do the link to those scans but in the meantime I will give a basic description for whoever was looking for pancakes and shoulder rigs.

SHOULDER HOLSTER KIT, stock no. 4416
A fairly heavy sportsman style shoulder rig that hangs fairly low and attaches to the belt also, think modern style Doc rigs. The pattern sheet is a large 34x22 sheet printed on both sides. The patterns are listed as Holsters A,B and C, with A fitting a list of small frame revolvers, B fitting a list of medium to med large frame (not 44s) DA revolvers. Also includes a large twelve page step-by-step construction booklet with many photos.

HIGH-RIDER HOLSTER KIT, stock no. 4417
These are the old, but still popular, two slot pancake style holsters with quick release thumb snap style over hammer straps. This includes pattern and step-by-step photo instructions all on one sheet of paper measuring 34x22, printed both sides. The pattern groups are listed as small, medium, large and automatics but no specific guns are listed for each size.

The last holster related pattern I found was one of the old 11x17 sheets that Tandy used to give away free each month called a DOODLE PAGE. It has the pattern and alternate tooling instructions for a Dan Wesson Revolver. It is definitely not a pancake design but construction methods are very similar with its laminated construction. The other idea promoted is a quick snap on and snap off belt attachment that is a bit different from what one might imagine. The attachment system is what I think might be a weak point for a large field holster, not to sure that it could be counted on to retain the gun and holster during much vigorous activity.

I would appreciate comments from anyone who has these and particularly if you have made holsters from them. Also if anyone contacts Tandy and finds them to be willing to photocopy and sale them on individual basis, please let me know, I might be interested in one or two extra copies for cut and paste to paper board. I will add link to photos HERE if I can find a place to post and link to. Hope this subject matter can squeak by as it is not cowboy but certain of the techniques might be considered universal? Many years ago I did make several Blackhawk holsters using the laminated construction similar to what is shown on these patterns and I am sure they would have been SASS legal, if it had been around in those days.

GunClick Rick · August 20, 2011, 12:26:33 PM

Don't know if this helps but here is one fit fer framin....

http://www.etsy.com/search?search_submit=Search&q=leather+holster+patterns&view_type=gallery&ship_to=US

Drayton Calhoun · August 20, 2011, 12:51:38 PM

I have that one, Rick. I know what Bob is saying. I have a lot of older Tandy patterns, the Hogleg Holster Pattern Pak, one that is just Percussion Holster Pak that was re-issued and the Shoulder Holster Pattern Pak. I used a combination of the last two to make a double shoulder holster pattern for .44 Remington NMA.

Boothill Bob · August 20, 2011, 01:43:37 PM

Quote from: Drayton Calhoun on August 20, 2011, 12:51:38 PM
I have that one, Rick. I know what Bob is saying. I have a lot of older Tandy patterns, the Hogleg Holster Pattern Pak, one that is just Percussion Holster Pak that was re-issued and the Shoulder Holster Pattern Pak. I used a combination of the last two to make a double shoulder holster pattern for .44 Remington NMA.

Dryton I love that rig, have been looking for that pattern fore some time. Can I buy it somewere??
//BhB

Slowhand Bob · August 20, 2011, 03:36:33 PM

Great job Drayton, I love to combine features of different patterns to get what I want. Proof positive that even parts of a modern rig can be retrofitted into something that looks earlier. As a young guy I fell in love with a model that was produced by Safariland and even though it contained their sight track system, it still looked very cowboy. After reading an old article on making laminated holsters, still got that article, I made one that turned out real nice for a Super Blackhawk and this fetched a couple or so requests for friends Blackhawk models.

Drayton Calhoun · August 20, 2011, 10:57:45 PM

Quote from: Boothill Bob on August 20, 2011, 01:43:37 PM
Dryton I love that rig, have been looking for that pattern fore some time. Can I buy it somewere??
//BhB

It was something I came up with about 25 years ago by combining a modern shoulder holster pattern and a slim jim pattern. I never really had a pattern so to speak. The yoke was just trial and error.

Blackey Cole · August 21, 2011, 01:12:53 AM

Check Tandy's leather Library. I downloaded (for a cost) several of the old Doodle Pages as well as several of the old Pattern Packs plus a couple of the books there. The Quality was excellent. One of the patterns was the Cap and ball pattern Pack and I downloaded Al Stalmon's holster book from there also since my copy was located over 200 miles from me at the time.

I think the address is leatherlibrary.com

Slowhand Bob · August 21, 2011, 04:16:42 PM

That sounds great Blackey , I'll have to check that out. Is it one of those deals where you download it onto your computer? Sounds like a job fer the wife!

Dalton Masterson · August 21, 2011, 06:09:58 PM

http://www.leathercraftlibrary.com/c-17-patterns.aspx?pagenum=1&
gets you right to the patterns page...

DM

Slowhand Bob · August 22, 2011, 10:29:02 AM

Thanks for the link DM, I checked it out and found several items that I want to order and while there I also checked out their video download page. Seems they now offer it somewhat like a rental or purchase download club, hopefully someone will fill us in on this at some time. I did not find the two pattern packs I listed above for the pancake and shoulder holsters and may still check to see if they will be added at some time in the future.

Drayton Calhoun · August 22, 2011, 12:05:33 PM

Thanks for the link, DM! There are some old favorites of mine in there. The hat pattern I have, but had to look high and low for, couldn't find it so I asked at the Tandy shop in Norfolk if they could order it and they did. The gambler hat is probably the most versitile.