Lyman 58 Rems ??

[Rebel Dave]

Hi Guys

Couple of ?? on Lyman 58 Rems. (1) Who made them,??. (2) Where can I get parts for one,??. VTI, ??. (3) This gun is out of battery, IE... the cylinder is not rotating far enough to line up exactly, it's off by about a 32nd of an  inch. It locks up in this posistion tho. I was wondering if a new hand would fix it, but if a new hand (longer) is installed, will it lock in battery, ??. Seems like it would over rotate then.
I'm kind of confused on this. May be the cyl notches are in the wrong posistion. Any input is appreciated.

Rebel Dave

[Mogorilla]

I had a Pietta 1860 Colt doing the same thing, had a couple of spare hands laying around replaced it and works fine.  Not sure who made Lyman, my guess is Pietta or Armi San Marco.   Both make/made good stuff, but QC was not a strong point a few yeats ago, possible someone replaced the hand with an incorrect one as well.   Someone more knowledgeable will let you know who made it so you can get the correct part.  As far as where to get it, I would suggest Dixie Gun works, staff is knowledgeable and great to work with.  good luck

[Ranch 13]

Uberti made some guns for Lyman, they also had some made in Spain, best bet is to call Lyman and maybe they can direct you to the proper parts.
Your problem sounds like the hand is worn, or possibly the hand spring is getting weak/broken.

[Fox Creek Kid]

The majority were made by Uberti & some were made by Armi Sao Paolo I believe. Look under the rammer. If there is no marking there they are sometimes on the underside of the frame and you have to remove the TG to see it.

[Rebel Dave]

Many thanks everyone fpr the replys. I am trying to fix this thing up for my brother in law. Mako helped me identify it as a Army San Paolo made for Lyman. The pistol was made in 1976. Once again thanks everyone for the help.

Rebel Dave

[Montana Slim]

Dave,

When the cylinder is locked by the bolt (or cylinder stop, depending on what "flavor" your used to speaking), the hand has nothing further to do. If the chambers do not line up with the barrel (A .45 cal alignment rod - see Brownells, will tell you for sure) It is likely a case of:
a) Sign of a poorly made revolver (cyl notches &/or bolt cutout/window in wrong locations)
b) Incorrect replacement cylinder (again, notches cut in wrong location)
c) Poorly fitted and/or replacement bolt (angled/tapered on the wrong side)
and/or combination of above.

Is it possible the alignment just "looks" off?

I recommend opening the barrel forcing cone with an 11 deg tool for all C&B revolvers. This helps a tad with slight misalignment.

IMO, replacement parts generally fit Remingtons very well with little fitting (Pietta/Uberti), but I have no personal experience with Armi San Paolo.

Regards,
Slim

[Rebel Dave]

Slim

I am hoping it's just the hand, and not the cyl. I have thought about the cyl notches being off. If the cyl notches are off, with a correct lenghth hand, I would think the cyl would not be locked, and you would be able to turn the cyl till it locked, even to the wrong posistion.
When you pull the hammer back to full cock, looking from the rear of the pistol, you can see the nipple is  not in the middle of the the hammer notch. It is off to the left about a 32nd of an inch. Thats why I'm thinking it's the cyl. I have a hand on order, and will see how that works. If not, I'll try and find a cyl.
Regarding The forcing cone, Brownells has a basic kit (pn 080-479-451), but I don't know if thats all I need or not. The kit covers 38,44, and 45 cal. How do you do your forcing cones,??. I have some of my Open tops, and C&B revolvers that the forcing cone is razor sharp, that I don't think is right.

Rebel Dave

[Montana Slim]

Dave, Maybe I misunderstood your original post. If the hand doesn't rotate the cylinder all the way to the locked position, yes..your hand is likely the culprit. If it does lock into position & your misaligned, then there is deeper trouble as I detailed.

If the cylinder locks into position & only appears that the hammer notch is misaligned with the cone (nipple)...don't sweat-it...Most NM Remington repros I've worked on are exactly that way.

I've had the Brownells kit you mention for years....I've done dozens of revolvers with it.
When done cutting the forcing cone, I use 800-1200 grit sandpaper to take-off the sharp edges (by hand).

Regards,
Slim

[Missouri Half Breed]

i beleve san marcos or somthing like that my son bought one and its as fine a pistol as you could hope for, we did some background on them trying to get a conv cylinder for it and the folks at midway told us iitaly san marcos was mfg.

[KenD]

I have 2, well one is marked Lyman, a 1975 model, and the other is marked Euroarms a 1973 model, both are identical and both where made by Armi San Paolo, of which later became known as Euroarms.
Both of these guns are better made in my opinion than the guns being produced today, of which I have a Pietta 1858 Rem with a 5.5 barrel, an Armi San Marco made in 1993 in brass that is solidly made but way heavier, the Pietta seems clunky in comparison, and I have handled Uberti's as well!

For a cylinder replacement, I bought a spare Euroarms Cylinder from Dixie gun works, I bought the last one that they had for Euroarms about 1 1/2 months ago, they have them on order from Euroarms of Italy but they are still waiting for the order.
The cylinder that I got from them fit both of my guns very well, although the cylinder chambers flared end for loading the ball is not as pronounced as it was on the originals, but it lined up and indexed perfectly!

I called them this morning to check on the progress of their order and they are still back ordered on them.
As a note,  their price is $65.00 and they do not expect that to change once they get more in!

Ken.

[Indian Outlaw]

I owned one that was a Uberti, and I saw one in a store that was an ASP. Evidently, Lyman imported from both makers.

The one I owned was extremely close in size and contour to an original 1863 New Model Army.

[Mossyrock]

Just a note about Dixie....they will list things as out of stock and back-ordered when they will NEVER get them back in stock....ever.  They list LONG out of production guns as out of stock and back-ordered...like 20 YEARS out of stock.  The Dixie of today is NOT the Dixie of our youth.  Caveat Emptor.   

[Indian Outlaw]

My newest, a 1971 Lyman Uberti. I stripped the finish and am letting it age naturally.

This is the best Italian Remington I have ever handled.

[Indian Outlaw]

New walnut grips arrived two days ago:

[GunClick Rick]

What ya gonna do with the other grip panels?

[Indian Outlaw]

What ya gonna do with the other grip panels?

I threw them out.    The fit was terrible -- the gripmaker botched the job. They looked fine from the side, but from the back and bottom they were dreadful -- gaps everywhere. They wouldn't have fit any other gun anyway. The alignment holes would not have lined up perfectly, even on another 1971 Uberti.

[GunClick Rick]

Too bad,looked nice..