1892 feeding problems

[Big T]

Hello I have an 1892 emf  it has had issues with feeding for a long time since new actualy , I did an action job on it slicked it up great an works perfectly with unfired shells but when I start cycleing while shooting it it seemd to hit the rim of the barrel on the case when the bullets feed thru , I tried pollishing the edge of the barrel an knocking off the sharp corners but still keeps on doing it only when fired though , stable on the bench it spits em out like clint eastwood does tobacco just as fast as you can make it run , anyone got any ideas on the problem , I am a pretty fair gunsmith certianly not professional but have had many apart with great success an back togather as well even used all the parts back in it wiht none left over but this one has me wandering , any help will be appreciated ,T

[Delmonico]

92's are real picky about OAL of the round. 

[Shotgun Franklin]

What bullet shape are you using and how much crimp?

[Big T]

I am using currently 200 gr rnfp with 4.8 grains of tb , I have tried 250 gr rnfp 230 gr rn , an 250 gr swc , also tried magtech 200 gr cowboy loads  have crimped them best as possible , set them a shade deeper an crimped them more but , all of them seem to feed on the bench but its a crap shoot in the field t

[Ten Wolves Fiveshooter]

  Howdy Big T

      Seeing how you say on the bench it fires and ejects fine, I would guess to say you might be caught up in the excitement of the game, which is common with lever actions, but more so with the 92's and 94's, what I mean is you might not be racking your lever fully, the 92 and 94 have to be fully racked or they won't eject or load properly, all levers are this way, but 92/94 seem to be more finicky on the way you lever or rack the action, next time out try to concentrate on this, I know lots of pards that trained themselves  to lever the action fully, and that alone solved there problem. Hope this helps.


               tEN wOLVES 

[Shotgun Franklin]

Yep, short stroking the action could be the problem. I see it most with Marlins and then the '92s, especially new guns that are stiff. I've always believed that leveractions were made to be vigorously worked.

[Long Johns Wolf]

FWIW: I used to own an ASM 92 in .45 Colt which was highly accurate beyond 100 yards but never cycled reliably. 2 gunsmiths allegedly "in the know" worked on her but no improvement. Sold her eventually to a pard who was only interested in the accuracy aspect.
Got another one from Army Sport/Armi Chiappa in .44 cal. without chamber cut which was made by another smith into .44 Colt cal. in line with my other armament. Again this one never cycled & fed realibly. Everybody told me it is the OAL of the cartridge.
Eventually I ended up with a smith with a tool making background, insight into the 92 system & AS/AC made rifles. One of the key issues of his treatment was that AS is offering 3 different kinds of loading gate which all look the same but have different specs. He installed the right one for the short cartridge and now she functions like the proverbial Swiss watch. The other aspect was and is with these 92s you have to lever them with authority.
Long Johns Wolf

[Big T]

I am pretty consistant with full stroking it , I had one 92 trapper model which never bobbled one time but it only held 9 rds in the mag which was a bg problem on the line having to load the last on in the top an it was dead accurate out to 100 yds as well but the 24 in hex model I have now has been the pita , ,I appreciate all the info I guess I will figure it out eventualt or trade it for somthin that I can get to feed the way I want it to , I guess it could be me but when i pick up the cases they hav 2 little mars on the ends of them where the ejector meets the barrel looks like they hit there first , I may try an add a peace of .010 thou titanium to the top of the carrier an see if that helps  , cant hurt anything I dont guess , t

[Clemsum]

I have an older Rossi 92 and I found out by accident that operating the lever "vigorously" improved the feed reliability. Also read a post somewhere that addressed some feed problems by shimming one side of the cartridge guides to allow the cartridge to just barely clear the guides.

I also had the twin gouges on the fired cartridge case. I purchased the reduced power ejector spring from Steve's Gunz and this cured the damaged cases. This spring alone lighted the effort required to open and close the action and smoothed the operation immensely and the empty cases no longer end up 20' away. Steve also sells a DVD on how to strip & reassemble the gun and what he does on a "action job" that is well worth the cost.

[Big T]

Yes I have steves video , it is a great asset to anyone with a 92 , thanks for all the help , t

[Trooper Zeke]

Here is a link to the site reguarding shimming the cartridge guide

http://marauder.homestead.com/files/Rossi_92_cartridge_guide.htm

and another one

http://www.carolinacowboys.us/DepGene/TheRossi92.htm#disass

[Big T]

Thanks , I appreciate the info , I thinkk I have my problem fixed though , I got to looking at my crimp on the ammo an every time i stuck a older shell i loaded in it it did the same not feed deal , I took my crimp die apart an seen it was leaded causing the shell not to crimp right on 1 side but not the other front side crimped fine but the back didint so it wasnt the gun after all , magtec bullets dont have much of a crimp at all either which is why it did it when i used their ammo as well , My friends at lazy J does know how to crimp them however an nary a flaw with them , thanks for all the help t

[Dances With Coyotes]

Tag. I've got a Rossi 92 thats giving me problems too. Have a spring kit on order and when I replace springs gonna try the shim trick too.