Uberti Schofields , available

brudford · April 12, 2011, 03:55:29 PM

First let me say I'am brand new to this great forum and some great posters . After calling every distributor
for Uberti trying to find a Uberti High or low wall in 38-55 or Low Wall in 44-40 . I think it might be easier to find the Holy Grail ! Called Taylors and they had only one high grade Sharps on the rack . Apparently in the reproduction world of Italian made copies no product and long waits are normal . I'am thinking maybe it might be a little easier to find a Schofield
Uberti copy . But I'am reading where some folks have been waiting since before X-mas . I intend fully on using nothing but black powder in the pistol . Would perhaps a rubber O-Ring work where Uberti intentionally did not incorporate
a steel gas ring ? Also does the Uberti Schofield include a Lawyer proofed transfer bar system like the Rugers ? If so I will not buy one . Also my 1858 Pietta pistol will seize up if I do not lube the bearing surfaces with CVA BP lube . Also is there
a problem with BP getting inside the actual working parts of the pistol ? Thanks

St. George · April 12, 2011, 04:41:49 PM

Take a look through the 'back pages' of this forum, and you should find all of your questions already answered in some detail.

On the other hand - your rubber O-Ring idea's a new one - but what with the escaping gases, I doubt it'd make it to the third round, but you never know.

And 'yes' - the Italian Schofields 'do' have an internal safety - but it can be removed, if you want to void the Warranty.

These are modern weapons, and made for Smokeless Powder - not Black Powder - so read the different threads on that subject, and see what others have had to do in order to get the piece to work properly.

As to working on the Schofield - I've never had any sort of problem.

Good Luck!

Vaya,

Scouts Out!

Abilene · April 12, 2011, 06:40:49 PM

Well you did not call every distributor because Cimarron has the High and Low Walls in stock that you seek. (but not the Schofields).

Major 2 · April 12, 2011, 06:54:29 PM

There is also a Uberti High Wall for sale or trade on the SASS wire.

Driftwood Johnson · April 13, 2011, 08:45:48 AM

Howdy

I can't really see where you are going to place an O Ring. There is not much space around the cylinder bushing, such as it is. Frankly, unless you mill a groove to receive the O Ring, the gasses will go right past it anyway. You would need to place the O Ring so the center of it was in line with the barrel/cylinder gap. And I can't imagine it wouldn't get chewed up by the hot gasses that come out of the barrel/cylinder gap. Don't forget, it was rubber O Rings burning through that caused the Challenger disaster.

Some folks report some success shooting Black Powder through modern Schofields with Big Lube bullets and lots of bullet lube.

In case you haven't seen it, here is a thread I started a few weeks ago showing why the old S&W top break design was better at dealing with Black Powder. I just shot my first match with my New Model Number Three. Six stages with Schuetzen FFg. No binding.

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,36986.0.html

brudford · April 13, 2011, 04:41:13 PM

The o-ring was just a thought . I guess you can shoot black powder in any gun if you want to deal with the associated issues . Lather it up good first ? On finding Schofields and various cowboy arms from Uberti and Pedersoli I made a list
of every dealer for Cimarron , Taylors ect. I called these dealers and a couple here and there had some guns on their shelves . Closest was 150 miles , 2hrs. 40 min. drive . Here in Western PA to ship and insure about 30.00 $ and then the local FFL dealer to accept the gun wants 40.00 $ I guess it is a wash with gas around 4.00$ gallon. I might be taking a day trip next week and will be buying a Schofield and a High Wall . I spent around one hour on the phone putting this all together , the local dealers just state, I can't get those , to busy selling plastic pistols ,black rifles and green camo .

St. George · April 13, 2011, 05:53:24 PM

Then do this...

Look at the various auction sites - www.gunbroker.com - www.gunsamerica.com - and figure out what you want, and you'll also see what shipping might be - 'and' you'll see local guys with Federal Firearms Licenses who'll handle your purchases for you for a minimal fee.

Often, their fees are spelled out up front, so don't just take the first name.

My guy charges me $15 for the transfer and paperwork.

Your quest 'should' be well-satisfied before you know it.

Good Luck!

Vaya,

Scouts Out!

Driftwood Johnson · April 13, 2011, 06:43:02 PM

QuoteThe o-ring was just a thought . I guess you can shoot black powder in any gun if you want to deal with the associated issues . Lather it up good first ?

No, you cannot shoot Black Powder in any gun. Some do not perform very well with it. Modern Schofield reproductions are one. Lather it up all you want, the design is not very conducive to Black Powder. This has been explained many times. When Uberti first brought out their Schofield replicas, the 45 Schofield cartridge was no longer being produced. So they decided to chamber it for 45 Colt instead. In order to do so, they had to lengthen the cylinder, the original Schofield cylinder was too short for the 45 Colt round. But rather than lengthening the frame the same amount as the cylinder, they kept the frame the same length. This meant that the gas ring at the front of the cylinder had to be shortened to fit the cylinder in the frame. This also meant that the barrel/cylinder gap was now in approximately the same plane as the opening in front of the gas ring. The gas ring was no longer able to do its job of deflecting soot blasted out of the barrel cylinder gap away from the arbor. The result was that these guns do not perform very well with Black Powder.

Look at the photos in my thread describing the gas ring on my original Smith. I just shot a six stage match with it with no problems at all. Modern Schofields do not do as well.

I would hate for you to go to the effort to find a Schofield, only to be disappointed in its performance with Black Powder. Yes, some shooters have had success, but they have had to work at it.

Will Ketchum · April 13, 2011, 06:58:20 PM

Driftwood, I have no dog in this fight, being fortunate enough to have 2 original NM3s to shoot. Would it be possible (maybe not practical) to have a competent smith remove the excess and put a gas ring on a reproduction?

Just curious.

Will Ketchum

Driftwood Johnson · April 19, 2011, 10:46:49 AM

Howdy Will, sorry I have been out of town.

Dunno. I have not had a chance to examine closely enough to tell. I know a few smiths are installing a bushing in 1858 Remmie cylinders by counter boring a hole to receive it, brazing it in place, and boring a hole in the frame to accept the bushing. I dunno if there is enough room on the Uberti Schofields to allow this to happen. Was going to examine an Uberti on Sunday, but I could not make the match.

WaddWatsonEllis · April 19, 2011, 05:20:07 PM

$30.00 for an FFL charge ... in my dreams maybe ... I am lucky enough to know an FFL that only charges $60.00 plus shipping ... and if you are going through a gunshop figure $150.00.

Would that I could find a competant FFL for $30.00.

A large part of that is probably because I live in California, but still ... $30.00.

Silver_Rings · April 20, 2011, 09:30:07 AM

In Grand Junction, CO there is a Pawn shop that sells for $10 over his cost plus shipping. Hard to beat that. He also has I would guess more than a thousand guns in stock. It's usually packed in his place and it can take over an hour to get to talk to him.

Silver Rings