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Started by kernel, March 19, 2010, 04:59:34 PM

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kernel

I dont understand why Uberti doesnt make the Henry in .357 or .44 spl as one of their regular calibers for sale. The '66 and '73 are made in those calibers. I would think it woul d be a good seller.  Wishfull thinking I guess.     

Stillwater

Quote from: kernel on March 19, 2010, 04:59:34 PM
I dont understand why Uberti doesnt make the Henry in .357 or .44 spl as one of their regular calibers for sale. The '66 and '73 are made in those calibers. I would think it woul d be a good seller.  Wishfull thinking I guess.     

You have asked a question. Here are some good questions...!

Why not stay traditional with the 1860 Henry?

Why not use the 1866, the 1873, and the 1892 Winchester replicas, in the calibers they were originally chambered for?

If you're going to be acting, and dressing, as though this were 1880, why not make everything traditional? Would there be something wrong with doing that?

No, there woudn't be anything wrong with that, if everything were required to be related to prior to 1900. Except you could hear the weeping, the wailing, and the gnashing of the teeth, all the way to the moon, if people were required to be really traditional.

The thread counters and the button pissers, will Loudly complain about your clothing, your boots, and your gun leather, all the while turning a blind eye towards the non-traditional chambering of their firearms.

If were going to be traditionalists, then lets be traditionalists ALL the way...!

If we're not going to be strict traditionalists, what would be wrong with modern Levis? They are of the west!

What would be wrong with belt loop pants?

What would be wrong with wearing a modern western belt?

Why wear suspenders?

Why shoot powder puff loads? Why not shoot ammunition loaded as it was originally. Why allow smokeless powder?

Why have exceptions for anything? What is a good reason for being non-traditional? That isn't the way it was in the late 1800's, so why do it now...!

You could be like the for profit organization, and have exceptions for almost everything...!

I'm not advocating anything different, just asking questions.

Bill


Major 2

There were a hand full of Henry's in 44 Spl. made ... Wolf Niederastroth has one.
As to 38/357 the Henry is barrel front heavy now, would be even more so in 357.







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pony express

Hard to be traditional with the calibre in a Henry, unless you've got a stash of .44 rimfire to shoot. Probably the closest to traditional would be .44 russian or .45 schofield. Close in size to .44 rf.

Daniel Nighteyes

Quote from: pony express on March 20, 2010, 11:23:31 AM
Hard to be traditional with the calibre in a Henry, unless you've got a stash of .44 rimfire to shoot. Probably the closest to traditional would be .44 russian or .45 schofield. Close in size to .44 rf.

You could add the .44 Colt to the list; at least its modern-day updated version.  The pistols chambered for .44 Colt will also shoot .44 Russian.




<---- Happy with his Henry in .45 Colt

Coffinmaker


Well .......... you really wouldn't want to be firing a high pressure round like the .357 in a brass frame rifle.  The '66 incidentally, isn't made in .357.  They are made in .38 Spl.  Just on some the chamber is cut too deep.  Most of us wouldn't go shooting .357 Mag ammo in a brass frame rifle, but if it were made in that chambering, some nit wit certainly would and wind up with a badly damaged rifle.  The '66 is made in .44 Spl.  Don't load it "Elmer Keith" hot unless you want a "Wall Hanger" really quick.
There were some Henrys made in .44 Spl some years back.  None recent that I know of.  If you want to get "close" to a correct cartridge, Switch out the stock carrier in a .45 and replace it with a carrier from AJ's Trading Post.  Then you can shoot .45CS (a real SHORT) cartridge.  I use AJs Carrier Block in my .44 Spl '66 to shoot .44 Russian, along with my .44 Spl Open Top handguns.  Dandy fun to shoot a cartridge close to original specs.  I use to make my own Carrier Blocks for short cartridges, but AJs are much handier and basically just "drop in."
It is a FUN game we play.

Coffinmaker

kernel

Coffinmaker: Yur right about the 66 being a brass frame and not coming in .357. Currently its in 44-40. 45lc and 38spl. The '73 which is a steel frame is offered in .357. I think it would just be nice to see a steel frame Henry offered in the .357  and .44spl as their regular lineup. As much as I hate to add another caliber to my collection, seems like I'm going to have to go .45lc.

Major2: having compaired the '73 sporting rifle with the 24 1/4" barrell in .357 and the '60 Henry steel frame with the same lenght barrell, but in .45lc, I could'nt tell any weight difference. That may just be me, though. I know my '66 is a heavy rifle.

Grizzly Adams

Three reasons you won't see the Henry 1860 in 38/357:  1) Too expensive to tool up for something that would have a very small market demand.  2)  The bloody thing would just be too heavy in 38.  3)  See #1! ;D

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Quote from: Coffinmaker on March 20, 2010, 11:51:09 PM
Well .......... you really wouldn't want to be firing a high pressure round like the .357 in a brass frame rifle.  The '66 incidentally, isn't made in .357.  They are made in .38 Spl.  Just on some the chamber is cut too deep.  Most of us wouldn't go shooting .357 Mag ammo in a brass frame rifle, but if it were made in that chambering, some nit wit certainly would and wind up with a badly damaged rifle.  The '66 is made in .44 Spl.  Don't load it "Elmer Keith" hot unless you want a "Wall Hanger" really quick.
There were some Henrys made in .44 Spl some years back.  None recent that I know of.  If you want to get "close" to a correct cartridge, Switch out the stock carrier in a .45 and replace it with a carrier from AJ's Trading Post.  Then you can shoot .45CS (a real SHORT) cartridge.  I use AJs Carrier Block in my .44 Spl '66 to shoot .44 Russian, along with my .44 Spl Open Top handguns.  Dandy fun to shoot a cartridge close to original specs.  I use to make my own Carrier Blocks for short cartridges, but AJs are much handier and basically just "drop in."
It is a FUN game we play.

Coffinmaker


The .45 CS is not even close to the original .44 rf, that little case does not hold cl ose tothe 28 grains of powder that the original Henry round carried, making it more of a "neutered gamer round" than anything else.
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Howdy

The barrel and magazine on a Henry are cut from one bar of solid steel. The tubular magazine on any other lever gun is a lightweight piece of steel tubing hung underneath the barrel. There is simply more steel left in the barrel/magazine assembly of the Henry than there is in any other lever gun. I have a Henry and a '73, both with 24" barrels and both in the same caliber, 44-40. The Henry weighs about a pound more because of the heavier barrel/magazine assembly.

the pards are correct, a Henry chambered in .357 Mag or 38 Sp would weigh even more than it does because the hole would be smaller. Pick up a 357 revolver and a 45 of the exact same model and barrel length sometime and compare the weight difference. It is significant. Plus a brass framed rifle should not be chambered in a high pressure cartridge like the 357.

As for a steel framed 357 rifle, a friend of mine bought a used 357 Mag Uberti '73 a number of years ago. He brought it back when he discovered a hairline crack in the frame. Yes, Italian guns are proofed at government run proof houses (more than can be said for USA made guns). Yes, the gun needs to survive a proof load of the cartridge stamped on the barrel. This proof load will be more powerful than anything commercially available. However surviving one proof load and surviving the continued battering of many high pressure loads over time are two completely different things. That is probably what cracked the frame on my friend's '73. More 357 Mags over time than its frame could take.
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kernel

All good points gentlemen. "Just a wish'n" Guess I'm just gonna have to add another caliber to the 'ol wagon load. Now to explain it to the wife!!!!

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