A couple Pancakes, morning special

[Dr. Bob]

Pancakes shouldn't be sharp!  They should be fluffy and covered with butter and maple syrup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ten Wolves Fiveshooter]

Pancakes shouldn't be sharp!  They should be fluffy and covered with butter and maple syrup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     I guess you're right Bob, I must have lost my head for a nanny second.

                         tEN wOLVES 

[Don Nix]

I knew the  man that invented  and held the patent for the Pancake Holster. Roy Baker,
He was originally from Magnolia Ar. but after he sold the patent and Name he moved to Texarkana.
He was a strange ol' duck that lived in his shop. He sold the rights to the  Pancake for something like $3 million and died almost penniless.
Part of the patent sale was a clause that he could not  use the name Roy Bakers Leather for ten years. just as the ten year period was up he was moving back to Magnolia where he had plans to open a big shop. he had a huge contract to supply  holsters to a South american co. but died before  he got started
Roy helped me get started in the Saddle business and encouraged me to buy my big stitcher.
Those holsters are pretty nice pancakes but the original pancakes had three belt slots to adjust the cant of the weapon.

[Ten Wolves Fiveshooter]

    Good story Don, thanks for sharing, I'm thinking of doing one with the three slots, it's a good idea, I've seen them before, and it does give you a couple ways to wear your holster.

                     
                                              Regards

                                             tEN wOLVES 

[RollingThunder]

And if you don't like the angle, you can always "re-cant!"


Baaaahahahahahaha!

[outrider]

TW,I'm glad that design worked out for you...nice job on that pancake for sure.....happy to help.

RT....I am also making alot of holsters for modern  guns...actually when I started 30 years ago thats all I made was conceled carry stuff for my compadres on the P.D.     My wife is also a lefty and I have to make her a new holster for the Ruger SP-101 that I just got for her....you might want to check that gun out  very nice feel to it...(mine has the three inch barrel)

[RollingThunder]

LOL. Cari's dream gun is the Ruger SR9, and I must admit it feels pretty good in the hand.

[JD Alan]

You guys who have wives' that carry ought to be motivated to be reeeeeeeeal good 

[RollingThunder]

Don't have to be good. Just quicker. lol

[JD Alan]

You can only pull that off once

[Professor Marvel]

Beautiful Work!

has anyone tried to make this concealment pancake style in a small-of-the-back (or "under-kidney") reverse-grip style?

my description makes it sound more complicated than it is...

for a right hander, put a 1911 in a butt-forward holster on the right hip. Now slide it around behind your hip until it is under your kidney but not as far as your spine.... I hope this is making some sense.

When drawing, you slide the back of your hand along your back like you are going to stuff your hand into your hip pocket palm out. You slip your hand betwixt you and the pistol and do a sort of prairie twist draw. I find it very comfortable but difficult to find a ready made holster or a pattern, but these pancakes might just do it.
yhs
Prof Marvel

[Ten Wolves Fiveshooter]

Howdy Professor

      The Pancake holsters I made have a grip forward cant, so they may work just fine for you, but you can vary the cant by where you put your belt slots and also your bucket stitch line, you could also make it without the thumb break safety for easier removal.

                                                        Regards

                                                  tEN wOLVES 

[RollingThunder]

I'd imagine that also depends greatly on the pistol in question. You could easily slide that cross-draw lefty (AKA a butt-forward righty) that I made around your back side and get what the Prof is looking for.

I'll have to get some pics of that.

[Ten Wolves Fiveshooter]

RT, the first Pan Cake I made was a right handed grip forward cant, the pard I made it for says he wears it both ways, in the back and also strong side, this style works well pretty much anyway you want to go, the pard I made that one for uses a Browning High Power and a 1911 45, the holster fits both guns like a glove, The last ones I made fits my HK P2000 and holds the gun close to the body, which is what you want in a holster like this.

                                      Regards

                                  tEN wOLVES 

[outrider]

I think what he is looking for is not a "butt forward" design, but a "muzzle forward" design  that can be worn directly under the kidney area in the small of the back.  The holster would have to be a "left hand-muzzle forward" design.

[RollingThunder]

I made a left hand cross-draw (as I've mentioned) and I was wondering. With the weight and balance here on a right-hand draw from the back, you have a problem.To sit the gun comfortably, you would need the pistol to be weight-centered at the belt, right? If that's so, then you would need there to be a cutaway in towards the belt.

Well, in a right-handed draw from that position, your trigger finger would have a tougher reach to find home, wouldn't it?

Here's what I'm looking at, using that lefty cross for an example. Sorry, but I didn't have the .357 that went with it in my possession.


As it sits like this, directly under the kidney, your trigger finger would hit leather before it made it home. Now, if I were to skinny-up the loop, it would open up area for the dish to go as low as it has to for a left-hand cross draw, but that tends to allow slop into the cant of the revolver.



Would it compromise the integrity of the piece much by making this into pancake, especially with a revolver like that S&W? If it would, then would I need to have a deeper scoop into the pouch for the trigger finger? Would the pancake holster pouch get enough grab on this to not need a thumb break like this one doesn't need one? (You can seat the S&W in the pouch hang it up side down and shake it and it stays put). Because there is traditionally more girth in a revolver, to say nothing of the gun I want to get if we get concealed carry in Peoria county, the Taurus Judge. Oh, and if I were to get cleared for it.

Anyway, I did think I found a happy medium, by moving the holster out a bit from the more centered area. I didn't find my finger jabbing either belt or holster leather as much as I quickly reached back. Typically I wear my cell phone on that side of my body anyway, so the butt of the revolver sticking out wouldn't show up any more than that, honestly.



Maybe I'd just need to practice a bunch more. And do a lot more research on the behind the back right-hand draw designs out there. LOL.

And for grins, this is my photographer. Shy little thang, ain't she?

[Professor Marvel]

I thank you gentlemen for your efforts to help me figure this out ... :-)

Thank you Rolling Thunder! your example is exactly what I was trying to describe!

I have finally found an example, these appear to be labeled SOB-PO  for Small Of Back - Palm Out .

I like to wear this type under my kidney (behind the right hip)  instead of SOB, and the butt-forward/ palm-out  design allows for a sort of prairie twist draw that is far more comfortable with my long Ichabod Crane-like gangly limbs.

Mainly what I have found seem to be in-side-the-pants, but I am looking for a pattern to make myself a slightly more high-rise pancake version. My biggest difficulties are in getting the height and angle of a holster to my satisfaction.
Pancake patterns only exacerbate this issue as I have an even harder time trying to orient the belt slots correctly.
I greatly admire the work on this forum; I fear that my own efforts are at best workmanlike, unembellished, and rather homely

My general carry preferences in order are a  shoulder-holster, crossdraw, or behind the hip

If I need to carry behind the hip for concealment purposes, either a "belt slide" or even tucking the 1911 slide behind the belt and into the hip pocket works very well, but without a coat it exposes the muzzle too much ; one does not want to disturb the public ( a legal aspect of CCW hereabouts, btw) - thus the desire for a higher riding pancake :-) 

below is a photo of an "in the pants" SOB-PO I found.

>    The Pancake holsters I made have a grip forward cant, so they may work just fine for you, but you can vary the cant by
> where you put your belt slots and also your bucket stitch line, you could also make it without the thumb break safety for
>  easier removal.

Thanks  Monsieur TenWolves , I  think that you have hit the nail on the head! I will fuss about prototyping with some stiff cardboard and plastic and see what I can do, in betwixt shovelling out the garage and fixing the roof.

I have heard several discussions *against* the SOB-PO, such as severe damage to yourself if falling on your back, discomfort and inability to draw when sitting, and the usual "covering yourself" during the "prairie twist" draw. However it seems to me that these all pertain to any kidney holster.

any thoughts?
yhs
Prof Marvel

[RollingThunder]

My day job is as an art director for Gun Dog and Wildfowl magazines, and our publishing company publishes a variety of SIP (Special Interest Publications), as well as Guns & Ammo, Shotgun News, Shooting Times, Handgun and Rifleshooter. In the next issue of our SIP Personal Defense, there is an excellent article on holsters, configurations, costs, etc.

Really nice reading for those of us trying to make custom pieces that are competitive. Should be on the news stand soon.

[Farmer]

Howdy Gents

       I made these Pancakes a few weeks ago, for a H&K P2000, 40 S&W, I just never got around to taking any good pictures, Thanks to Outrider, I like the way they came out and fit, they hold your gun just at the right angle to have easy access to it, and it is comfortable to wear, it doesn't seem get in the way, I made one of these a few months ago for a customer, who wears his gun daily and he says he loves it, he said it hugs the body and you never know its there.

                                       Thanks for taking a look see

                                          tEN wOLVES 

tenwolves,..those are cool! Soon I want to try amnd make one for my wife's Bersa .380!

[Ten Wolves Fiveshooter]

  Howdy Farmer, and thanks for your nice comments, I think your wife would be very happy with this style holster.


                                             Regards

                                        tEN wOLVES