.45 Schofield in Puma '92

Troublesome River · June 05, 2009, 11:14:09 AM

Howdy all,
I don't remember if this has been asked before and if it has I apologize to the forum, But is it possible to shoot >45 Schofield in the Rossi Puma '92 rifle. Like everyone else I'm having trouble finding .45 Colt brass to reload and loaded ammo's just as scarce, so if someone could help me with this I'd appreciate it-T.R.

Fiddler Green · June 05, 2009, 12:56:04 PM

It would not work in mine. But, I think it's really going to depend on the bullet.

Bruce

Dick Dastardly · June 05, 2009, 03:28:39 PM

Howdy Troublesome River,

Good to see you here. Good place to hang out. Welcome.

I shoot 92s. They are made by Browning. I've found 92s to be cartridge OAL sensitive. BUT. . . and this is a big but.

92s can be timed for different length cartridges.

If I were going to shoot a shorter cartridge in a 45 Colt 92, I'd go with Adirondack Jack's Cowboy 45 Special brass. Yes, it would take some adjustment, but you'd end up with a great SASS rifle that would hole a LOT of ammo. Were you to load the C45Spl brass with the EPP-UG 150 grain bullet it would be really short. Also, I've shot that very bullet out of my Thompson Center 45 Cal Senica front stuffer rifle with great accuracy.

I'll wait for AJ to chime in here, but that would be my way to go. Also, you could give Nate Kiowa Jones aka Steve Young a call and ask him directly. He's a very top 92 smith.

Good luck,

DD-DLoS

Tequila Jim · June 05, 2009, 11:52:55 PM

Didn't work for me, not so much the bullet but the larger base of the brass.
Regards, TJ

reloader4410 · June 06, 2009, 07:17:19 AM

I chucked up a wood dowel rod in a drill with enough duct tape to hold scholfield brass then just a little pressure on a file to file down brass till it chambers in a 45 colt wala 45 short.

Tequila Jim · June 06, 2009, 10:18:26 AM

Troublesome River is asking about Rossi 92s of which I have 2, carbine and a rifle. I do use the Scofields
in my Ruger pistols without alteration to the brass. Your milage may vary. TJ

Fairshake · June 06, 2009, 04:07:00 PM

TR, I shoot 92's, one modified with a Steve Young action job and one stock. The one with the action job feeds 45 Schofield caes with out a hiccup. The stock 92 will feed them some. I will have to disagree with my friend DD on this one as you would have to change your carrier and buy different brass from what you have and then have a rifle that would not feed the 45 colt round. The Schofield rounds that feed in mine are loaded with a RNFP 200 gr bullet. I don't know what bullets you have to load. Do you cast your own? The 454190 profile bullet would probably feed in a stock gun although I have not tried it. The velocity would be down with this bullet as it is a 255 gr but would solve your problem. Last but not least; the last option is to find someone like myself who would help out a fellow cowboy with some brass. I have 45 Colt Starline cases unfired that I would be willing to let go of a few hundred in these hard times of supply. Contact me at dandlinla@charter.net. This offer is for TR only as I don't have enough to start a business but will help out a fellow pard. Later David

WaddWatsonEllis · June 06, 2009, 04:28:07 PM

Hi,

I have a Win 04 that is chambered for .45 LC. The partner who reloads my stuff gave me 10 home made 'snap caps' with 180 bullets and they cycle fine ....

I haven't got enough courage to go out on a range and see how live .45Schofield fires and then is loaded and spent shells are unloaded ... I am hoping that they will be the same, but I will have to wait & see. I am told by the member who reloads for me that the Schofield round, being shorter, is easier to load without having to resort to fillers and still have a 'cowboy' load.

FWIW

Troublesome River · June 19, 2009, 10:43:22 AM

Howdy All,
Having some problems with my E-mail account and its not letting messages get through. Also, I don't have a computer at home right now and can only use our local libraries once or twice a week. This is the reason for the time between answers.

Fairshake, I sent another e-mail to you through a different server. I hope you get it-TR

Fiddler Green · June 19, 2009, 10:46:27 PM

Quote from: Tequila Jim on June 06, 2009, 10:18:26 AM
Troublesome River is asking about Rossi 92s of which I have 2, carbine and a rifle. I do use the Scofields
in my Ruger pistols without alteration to the brass. Your milage may vary. TJ

I'm with you. I have a Puma (Rossi) '92. It will cycle Scofields but not on a regular enough basis you would be able to make it through a stage.

Bruce

john boy · June 20, 2009, 02:48:29 PM

Starline ... order on line
45 COLT (Large Pistol primer) 1.273"-1.283" O.A.L. (Backordered expected availability: 07-02-2009 )

Originally designed for use with blackpowder, the .45 Colt is one of the most powerful, commonly available handgun cartridges when loaded with smokeless powder. Our .45 Colt brass has been tested to .44 Magnum pressures in gun systems suitable for such loads.

Fiddler Green · June 22, 2009, 10:03:33 AM

Pretty much everyone is on backorder right now. I put .45 Colt on my wish list with all the on-line stores (Cabela's, Midway, Graf.....) and check back often. I figure the manufacturer will fill the big box orders before the small orders.

Bruce

Fairshake · June 26, 2009, 06:39:15 AM

I received your e-mail TR and have them 45 Colt waiting to be shipped out as soon as I receive your info.

WaddWatsonEllis · June 26, 2009, 09:45:33 PM

I have a Model 73 on order with Cody Conagher ... and I just sent an email asking if he could set the rifle up to shoot .45 Schofield ... suggested that I thought the part of the chamber that houses the rim might have to be enlarged and the loading set up for a much shorter bullet. I offered to send handloaded 'snapcaps" that have Schofield brass and the 180 gr lead that my rounds are reloaded with.

I am really anxious to hear his reply ...

Although not on the subject, I am also asking him to put a Grabber 130 as a front site, and possibly a Lyman #2 of some kind of improved SASS legal rear site installed.

I would appreciate any person's $0.02 on the sites and anything that I am doing here ... it is always much cheaper to change something while it is being worked on than to send it back....

Fairshake · June 30, 2009, 06:59:06 AM

WWE, I have the Marble's tang sites on all my guns. I have two 92's with them. You can have a large front bead put on and all you have to do is put the front bead where you want to hit. There is no lining up of the sights and it's much faster than the ladder or buckhorn. Once I had my 92's tuned by Steve Young it will feed the Schofield round. I just finished doing my other 92 myself and it will now feed them also. The biggest factor is the bullet nose of the bullet you chose. Stay with the RNFP design.

WaddWatsonEllis · June 30, 2009, 08:43:13 AM

Fairshake,

I just checked my emails to make sure that what I printed was correct. I sent an email to Cody Conagher on Wednesday June 17th and have not recieved a reply concerning converting to .45 Schofield. Looking at my SASS club calendar, End of Trail started yesterday, and I am guessing he is up to his eyes in Winchester problems at the meet and will not look at his email until he returns to his shop.

So, until I hear from my original email, there is no sense posting queries about adding Marbles sites ... I just have to wait until I hear from him. Or have a local shop add the sites once I get the rifle ... more expensive than having it all done once by him ( i.e., having to pay for the original sites on the gun and then pay to have them added locally), but having the weapon in hand might be the best option ... I might even find that the open rear site and Marbles/Grabber front site might be all that I need.

It would just be nice to hear Cody Conagher's thoughts on the subject .... both of them in fact.

Fiddler Green · June 30, 2009, 12:12:01 PM

SO, Sunday I tired running some .45 Schofileds through my Rossi/Puma with disaterous results. The last time I did it, some worked, some didn't. This time, it was new brass and nothing worked! I believe it's the rim thickness that was the issue but I'm wrestling with the flur right now so I really don't feel like checking that. One of the "Lab bench shooters" can chase it.

Bruce

Capt. Augustus · June 30, 2009, 03:37:34 PM

Fairshake, when you tuned your 92 to handle .45 Schofields, did you have to rework the extractor? I have Nate's dvd and a Rossi 16" that I want to shoot Schofields in. They feed good, but the extractor takes a piece of hide out of the rim. I figure I'll have to remove metal from the extrctor, which is like a truck spring. The Trapper will hold 9 .45 Colts, so I figure 10 Schofields will fit.