Uberti ejection system

[Triggersmith]

Greetings,  I just got my new Schofield and noticed if I had the cylinder straight up and down when I opened to eject, some of the cartridges slipped past the ejection star.  I was told by several pistoleers that the Schofield was opened sideways because on hosreback that was the easiest way to do it. I tried it and no problem.  Has anyone else had this happen?
Thanks
Watch yer topknot
Triggersmith

[Short Knife Johnson]

Tipping it sideways would probably clear the empties better, but give it a shake.  The first time I ever shot my Schofield was during a stage.  Just bought it in the morning at the shoot.  Feeling adventurous, I OK'd it with the RO to use one pistol in a 2 pistol stage and reload on the clock.  I emptied the cylinder, and broke the latch open carefully and expected the empties to fling free then I would recharge the waepon with great expedience, and wow the crowd.  To my horror, the empties came up, then back down into their respective chambers.   I then reopened it with more force, trying to take care with the muzzle direction to avoid a DQ.  3 .44 WCF empties hit the ground.  A third attempt cleared all.  So I learned the hard way to let the barrel and cylinder fall forward freely to give the extractor some momentum, and not to go into battle with untried equiptment.  I had to laugh and be thankful I wasn't REALLY trying to shoot my way out of jail.  And the Norinco 1887 I borrowed wouldn't dump the spent shells out either.  I looked at my time and said "Well, if I'd just did my time in the slammer, I might have gotten out sooner."

I still love that gun though.  Just oh so classy. 

[Short Knife Johnson]

Oh yeah, I forgot.  The .45 Colt wasn't used with the Smith & Wesson star extractor due to the teeny rim.  During it's early years, the .45 Colt's rim was simply a slight ridge to keep the round from falling straight through (or in too deep) the cylinder of the Model 1873.  In the Smith's the spent case would just slip over the rim, and make the situation even more dire.  It's bad enough somone's shooting at you, and your pistol is empty.    The .45 Schofield has a much wider rim to allow extraction with the S&W system.  If you have to shoot the Schofield round in an SAA, you have to load every second chamber due to the rims interfering.  The pathetic rim at the time is also suspected why the .45 Colt was never used as a rifle round as it wouldn't have enough purchase for an extractor claw.  Modern .45 Colts have a wider rim that was adopted sometime in the 1920's I think, but don't hold me to that.

[WaddWatsonEllis]

I don't reload my Schofield rounds, so this is third hand from my friend who does reloading for his livelihood ...

He says that he would rather reload the shorter Schofield cartridge for cowboy loads cause he does not have the problem he has reloading cowboy load for the .45 LC. He says that the case volume is pretty correct for the amount of powder that needs to be put in the cartridge ... that with .45 LC he has to use something to take up the extra space inside the case (with the .45 LC).

And something that is not secondhand information: I bought a Codymatic/Taylors/Uberti Model '73 in .45 LC. .... and asked that it be able to fire .45 Schofield. It does the Schofield with aplombe .... in fact, the first time I fired it was at a local range right next to a guy with a new .45 'black' gun .... looked like some kind of M1911 clone.

My Model '73 fired faster than his auto, and when I was done the entire bullseye was shot out .... and he couldn't say the same for his target (in fact, they were all over the place!). So much for 'modern' weapons ....

I have a Cap Coyote/Norinco  Model 1883 myself ... and I have found that in order to be sure that the empties eject, I have to ratchet the lever just short of abuse .... it takes a while to find just the right amount of (what feels like) excessive levering to get the thing to extract well.

At my club we use a double shotgun target... the first round not only knocks over a traditional target, but then pops up a clay target that must be hit before it touches the ground. I usually have no problem with the target with my Baikal double; but it has taken me several months to get used to the Model 1887 enough to get the shotgun levered and extracted in time to hit the clay target before it hits the ground ...... But it felt so good when I finally did!

[Will Ketchum]

I don't reload my Schofield rounds, so this is third hand from my friend who does reloading for his livelihood ...

He says that he would rather reload the shorter Schofield cartridge for cowboy loads cause he does not have the problem he has reloading cowboy load for the .45 LC. He says that the case volume is pretty correct for the amount of powder that needs to be put in the cartridge ... that with .45 LC he has to use something to take up the extra space inside the case (with the .45 LC).

And something that is not secondhand information: I bought a Codymatic/Taylors/Uberti Model '73 in .45 LC. .... and asked that it be able to fire .45 Schofield. It does the Schofield with aplombe .... in fact, the first time I fired it was at a local range right next to a guy with a new .45 'black' gun .... looked like some kind of M1911 clone.

My Model '73 fired faster than his auto, and when I was done the entire bullseye was shot out .... and he couldn't say the same for his target (in fact, they were all over the place!). So much for 'modern' weapons ....

I have a Cap Coyote/Norinco  Model 1883 myself ... and I have found that in order to be sure that the empties eject, I have to ratchet the lever just short of abuse .... it takes a while to find just the right amount of (what feels like) excessive levering to get the thing to extract well.

At my club we use a double shotgun target... the first round not only knocks over a traditional target, but then pops up a clay target that must be hit before it touches the ground. I usually have no problem with the target with my Baikal double; but it has taken me several months to get used to the Model 1887 enough to get the shotgun levered and extracted in time to hit the clay target before it hits the ground ...... But it felt so good when I finally did!

Tell your reloading friend to try Titegroup.  It is designed for small loads in large cases.  The powder companies really frown on fillers in any smokless loads because it can change the burning rate.

Will Ketchum

[WaddWatsonEllis]

Will,

Thanks; I'll pass that on to him the next time I see him.

Actually, although I should remember, I have no idea what he loads my rounds with. I remember when I bought the Navy Arms/Uberti Schofields used, that his reloading formula was pretty much what the previous owner (himself a territorial governor), loaded for Schofields. And if it was good enough for him ....

Then there his the accuracy factor .... the pistols ate tack drivers ... with this load, it it far and beyond any pistol I have ever shot.

With the Model 73, the Schofield rounds are almost too easy, too slick.

Shooting both the pistols, rifles and shotgun is a humbling experience they are so good ... so any problem had to be 'operator induced' ... LOL

*S*

[Danny Bear Claw]

I've shot Colt and Schofield 45s through my Uberti Schofield and it's always kicked out all 6 with authority.   

[WaddWatsonEllis]

Danny,

I appologize;

My Schofield (Navy Arms/UBerti) handle both .45 LC and .45 Schofields just fine ...

It was my .45LC Model 94 that had a problem digesting Schofields ... tended to jam.

I solved that by getting a Codymatic Model 73; it chews  (and spits out) .45 Schofield with aplombe ...

[Virginia Gentleman]

So far ejection from my Schofield's has been crisp and positive, but I have tended to cantor the pistol to the side to ensure complete ejection of the empties.