Some equipment questions

Started by Roscoe Coles, April 16, 2009, 10:32:57 AM

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Roscoe Coles

I'm getting tooled up for NCOWS and I have a couple of questions. 

The NCOWS handbook does not say that the Repro 1876s are OK but I see some mention of folks shooting them so I assume they are OK.  Correct?

The shotgun list is a bit vague.  Is the Stevens 311 OK for NCOWS?  I just got one cheap and I am working it over to have an English stock and sliver fore end so it looks like a 19th century gun.  I have a Spencer pump and an original English hammer gun but they are both Damascus barrels and I don't always have the stuff to load shells.  Its nice to be able to just buy shells if needs be.

Are any butt pads OK?  I see the part about no white line spacers and I assume that modern thick pads or pads with holes in them etc are not OK.  Can I have a thin red pad?  I don't know how old they are so I'm not sure.

Thanks


French Jack

Roscoe, to address some of your questions:  Yes, the repro 1876 is an approved rifle-- however it may not be permissible at all ranges.  Some may require a less powerful (read: pistol caliber) cartridge than is the norm for the 1876. 

The Stevens 311 is ok to use.  Regarding the butt pad, the thin solid red rubber ones are acceptable.  If you are in doubt, simply cover the pad with a piece of buckskin and you are good to go.  No modern style perforated or white line spacers.  If this is what you need, cover the entire pad with the buckskin.
French Jack

Roscoe Coles

Thanks Jack,
   Its no problem to shoot smaller caliber rifles as I have a number of original and repro 73s , 92s a Henry, a 66 and Spencer.  I just like to shoot the bigger guns when I have the chance.

  Good to know that the thin red pad is OK, I was thinking of putting one on the 311 when I restock it.  As I said I have other shotguns but its nice to be able to use shells from Wal-Mart if you have to.

   As for the leather butt covers, I will pass.  I'm sure someone here has looked into it but I have never seen a period example except for an Indian rawhide stock repair and a gun with entirely cowhide covered stocks from a wild west show (complete with the hair on), neither of which are anything like the modern leather stock cover.   Is there documentation for these covers?

I'll be off line for a week, headed back to the ranch in Nevada to get some work done an d find all my period camping gear.

Roscoe.

French Jack

There were several examples of leather covered pads on both British and Belgium shotguns.  They were not the bottom line models, however.
French Jack

Ottawa Creek Bill

Quote from: Roscoe Coles on April 16, 2009, 11:25:16 PM
Thanks Jack,
   Its no problem to shoot smaller caliber rifles as I have a number of original and repro 73s , 92s a Henry, a 66 and Spencer.  I just like to shoot the bigger guns when I have the chance.

  Good to know that the thin red pad is OK, I was thinking of putting one on the 311 when I restock it.  As I said I have other shotguns but its nice to be able to use shells from Wal-Mart if you have to.

   As for the leather butt covers, I will pass.  I'm sure someone here has looked into it but I have never seen a period example except for an Indian rawhide stock repair and a gun with entirely cowhide covered stocks from a wild west show (complete with the hair on), neither of which are anything like the modern leather stock cover.   Is there documentation for these covers?

I'll be off line for a week, headed back to the ranch in Nevada to get some work done an d find all my period camping gear.

Roscoe.

Roscoe........I wanna go with ya......I can sit a horse pretty good and I used to be a fair hand with a rope.

Bill
Vice Chairman American Indian Council of Indianapolis
Vice Chairman Inter tribal Council of Indiana
Member, Ottawa-Chippewa Band of Indians of Michigan
SASS # 2434
NCOWS # 2140
CMSA # 3119
NRA LIFER


Roscoe Coles

Back home.  Had a good week and got lots of stuff done.  Funny thing,  The first night at the ranch I opened up an 1894-95 Montgomery Wards catalog and there on page 467 was an add for "Rudolph's Popular Recoil Pad. Leather with lacing.  Will not come Loose.  Each $0.95 Postage extra .10" I don't know how far back they go but to at least 1894.  There is also a rubber slip over pad to all intents and purposes exactly like the modern rubber slip over pads, but with no ventilation in the pad.

Bill, youd be welcome but no live stock at the moment. 


Roscoe

Ottawa Creek Bill

Roscoe.......I'm not sure when the hammer less shotguns were in common use in the Old West....but they do have them for sale in the 1895 Sears catalog.

The only consideration you may want to consider is if you are going to do a much earlier persona/impression. You may want to see if you can pick up hammered shotgun......I bought one of the TTN shotguns and I really like it.

Its a close copy of the Colt 1878.....you can get them for around $450.00

Good stout shotgun.

Bill
Vice Chairman American Indian Council of Indianapolis
Vice Chairman Inter tribal Council of Indiana
Member, Ottawa-Chippewa Band of Indians of Michigan
SASS # 2434
NCOWS # 2140
CMSA # 3119
NRA LIFER


Major 2

"I bought one of the TTN shotguns and I really like it."

DITTO  ;)
when planets align...do the deal !

Roscoe Coles

Thanks guys, I have been shooting an original John Shaw and Sons London Damascus hammer double for years and I also have a Spencer pump gun, so I am fixed for good early shotguns.  I just wanted a gun that would take off the shelf shells if I was low on brass 2.5 inch shells for the Spencer or BP loads for the Shaw.  I have owned and tuned a bunch of the newer shotguns offered for CAS and they all have their problems, but most of all I just like guns with slightly longer barrels.  This Stevens is a 28 inch in nice shape and I got it for $100.  I did the spring copnversions on it so that it opens up and stays open and after I spend the money for a walnut stock and sliver forearm and spend some time reshaping it, I will still be in the gun less that $225, which is pretty good these days. 

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