New Remington

Marshal Will Wingam · January 23, 2009, 10:59:37 AM

Howdy, pards. Ever since I saw the the first pics of Hoof Hearted's Remington-Beals look-alike, I've been itching to do one myself. The other day I pulled a loading lever for one of my 5 1/2 Remingtons out of the parts box and started in. It came out nice so I ordered something to put it on. The grips felt like a 2x4 so I re-did them to feel like a real pistol. I know the hammer and frame aren't Beals but it's a close impression. Many thanks for the inspiration, Hoof Hearted.

Hoof Hearted · January 23, 2009, 12:48:17 PM

Will

Looking Good

The main difference (as you have discovered), or most obvious one, between the Beals and New Model is the rammer "sail".
The New Model hammer is also lower (I can help you modify it if you want).
The frame is not relieved at the breech end of the barrel.
The "wings" on the cylinder pin are a different shape.
The rammer on the Beals is not relieved for the wings on the cylinder pin.

And lastly the "cone" type silver, dovetailed sight.
I am working to have that sight duplicated and should have them for sale in the near future.

GREAT JOB!

HH

Marshal Will Wingam · January 23, 2009, 01:46:32 PM

Thanks for the list of the differences. I can see some of them are going to be easy. Some will probably need to get overlooked at this time. The hammer is a good mod. I can probably heat it with a smoke wrench and then re-case it after flattening the sides off again. The wings on the cylinder pin will probably be another easy one. The front sight will be a snap if you have a dovetailed one for the Uberti available in the future. You can let me know on that.

Here's a picture of a Beals rammer & cylinder pin. It looks like some building up on the rammer and facing off the cylinder pin would get the desired result. For a quick temporary fix, I will probably round off the leading corners on the wings to look more curved rather than have a sharp corner. The picture I have of a Beals looks like the hammer spur looks higher (see the pic comparing the three). Do you have a picture of the lower one?

Thanks for the cudo.

Willie Dixon · January 23, 2009, 03:24:00 PM

Marshall, great looking Remmie as I've said before. Thanks for the great reference pics of the Beals vs the Army vs the Navy. I at first thought the Navy was just a smaller bore, never knew they were sleeker and leaner all around until that comparison shot showed it.

I was thinking for my Remmies of using the Beals style hammer on them, seems a bit quicker to cock so to speak coming out of the holster. Any comments on this?

Marshal Will Wingam · January 23, 2009, 04:49:23 PM

Quote from: Willie Dixon on January 23, 2009, 03:24:00 PMMarshall, great looking Remmie as I've said before. Thanks for the great reference pics of the Beals vs the Army vs the Navy. I at first thought the Navy was just a smaller bore, never knew they were sleeker and leaner all around until that comparison shot showed it.

I was thinking for my Remmies of using the Beals style hammer on them, seems a bit quicker to cock so to speak coming out of the holster. Any comments on this?

Thanks, Willie. For my own hand, the slightly lower hammer spur like the Army or Navy is quicker. A really low spur would be slower, however.

Willie Dixon · January 23, 2009, 06:35:45 PM

hmm, guess I'll find out when I get them. I'm pretty quick on the draw, not competition speed or anything, but the cross draw is pretty similar to what I had rigged in the USCG, so it feels pretty natural on the left side. I just have to get used to the strong side right. I saw that thumb-drawing was allowed in SASS which definitely gives me an advantage since I was used to doing that with my 1911s since I always had one in the chamber, thumb safety on, hammer down.

Logan Hawke · January 23, 2009, 07:06:49 PM

Marshall that is a nice looking shooter you have there. I really like the Beals rammer and would like to do one of mine like that also!

And Thank You also Hoof Hearted for the list of differences!!!! I have been wanting to know that also. I have read about and looked at both styles and never really got it until you put it plain and simple like that.

They have on original Beals on display at Fort Fisher (NC) that was found after the war. I was really checking it out last weekend...

Hoof Hearted · January 23, 2009, 07:09:05 PM

Quote from: Marshal Will Wingam on January 23, 2009, 01:46:32 PM
The picture I have of a Beals looks like the hammer spur looks higher (see the pic comparing the three). Do you have a picture of the lower one?

Will

I musta been smokin' crack when I posted that list

I made sense to me (I have changed the words to be correct).

The BEALS hammer is HIGHER...........

What I do is grind and bend, then grind some more. Followed by a bit of filing and a lot of sanding

HH

Marshal Will Wingam · January 23, 2009, 09:04:04 PM

Thanks, Logan.

OK, HH, I can do that. I've bent many pieces of metal in my time. Some intentionally.

Do you heat it at all or bend it cold?

I noticed another difference looking at my own photo. The Navy and the Beals both have a bigger cutout in the right recoil shield for capping. Another easy fix.

Hoof Hearted · January 23, 2009, 10:02:26 PM

Quote from: Marshal Will Wingam on January 23, 2009, 09:04:04 PM
Thanks, Logan.

OK, HH, I can do that. I've bent many pieces of metal in my time. Some intentionally. Do you heat it at all or bend it cold?

I noticed another difference looking at my own photo. The Navy and the Beals both have a bigger cutout in the right recoil shield for capping. Another easy fix.

I wouldn't bend it cold without thinning it first (look closely at the difference in the shape).
I believe that bottom Beals is a Navy model. The top pistol is an Army. The reason the Navy (Beals or New Model) has a larger capping cutout is that the cylinder is smaller (.36 cal).

HH

Ten Wolves Fiveshooter · January 23, 2009, 10:20:35 PM

Quote from: Marshal Will Wingam on January 23, 2009, 10:59:37 AM
Howdy, pards. Ever since I saw the the first pics of Hoof Hearted's Remington-Beals look-alike, I've been itching to do one myself. The other day I pulled a loading lever for one of my 5 1/2 Remingtons out of the parts box and started in. It came out nice so I ordered something to put it on. The grips felt like a 2x4 so I re-did them to feel like a real pistol. I know the hammer and frame aren't Beals but it's a close impression. Many thanks for the inspiration, Hoof Hearted.

Looks real nice Will, nice improvement

tEN wOLVES

Marshal Will Wingam · January 23, 2009, 11:50:24 PM

Thanks, 10W.

Quote from: Hoof Hearted on January 23, 2009, 10:02:26 PMThe reason the Navy (Beals or New Model) has a larger capping cutout is that the cylinder is smaller (.36 cal).

That makes sense. Thanks.